What do you think about these Poker sections in terms of conversion oerformance ?

**casinorecommender** · 2 June 2012, 3:58 am

Poker ( https://casinorecommender.com/skill-games/poker ) and Video Poker ( https://casinorecommender.com/skill-games/video-poker ) are some of the sections presented in Casino Recommender. I have traffic leading to these sections but the conversion is rather low. Waht do you think ? Thanks for your valuable comments.

**Viriatu** · 2 June 2012, 12:35 pm

conversions in poker can be tricky, that is my experience, plus when targeting a casino niche you cant expect the same value player that you might have with poker rakeback or poker bonus oriented user so it would be expected some of them find poker when looking for casino...

my 2cents someone here might have another feedback regarding this issue im only starting with casino.

**Paul_** · 3 June 2012, 5:47 pm

I really like the red button at the bottom, that should convert!

**ddm** · 12 June 2012, 5:00 am

the page copy is ridiculously bad and weak. I doubt this irrelevant crap will help you convert.
As a poker player i lol'd at the BS written on that page. seriously.

Whatever happened to "speak the users' language"? This page = waffly bullshit. no offense.

Poker is a type of card game not only based on skill but also psychology and probability. That makes poker, the most popularly played card game online or offline. There are several types of poker games. The most famous one is “Texas Hold’em“. In real life, if you think that you are playing your cards wisely enough then we recommend you to play online poker.

Riiiight...

same thing here - poor grammar etc - https://casinorecommender.com/low-bon...onus-high-risk linked off your homepage. Garbage written by a non-english speaker imo,.

also, what's with the huge whitespace on the poker page ? seems like a way to burn above the fold real-estate, and ROI..

edit: IMO try google website optimiser (free) and do some split-tests to see which page layouts are better for conversions..

**AngryRant** · 13 June 2012, 3:04 am

The page looks very weak. And the theme you are using is seen hundred times. You should make landing pages more appealing.

**mojo** · 13 June 2012, 3:29 am

Originally Posted by gamblingseo

the page copy is ridiculously bad and weak. I doubt this irrelevant crap will help you convert.
As a poker player i lol'd at the BS written on that page. seriously.

Whatever happened to "speak the users' language"? This page = waffly bullshit. no offense.

Riiiight...

same thing here - poor grammar etc - https://casinorecommender.com/low-bon...onus-high-risk linked off your homepage. Garbage written by a non-english speaker imo,.

also, what's with the huge whitespace on the poker page ? seems like a way to burn above the fold real-estate, and ROI..

edit: IMO try google website optimiser (free) and do some split-tests to see which page layouts are better for conversions..

I admit I'm no SEO expert. I think the OP was looking for help, and I appreciate anyone who tries to help. However, I don't know if this kind of response helps or perhaps it does?

Does this style work for you? I looked at your twitter gamblingseo ...

got an email some SEO agency .. recruiting. resisted the urge to reply that I'd rather eat a rusty **** than work at a fecking agency.

Is that what folks are looking for in an SEO Expert?

In-house Search Marketing Manager in Travel industry & iGaming SEO specialist.

Not questioning, just askin!

**ddm** · 13 June 2012, 3:48 am

I think my reply was reasonable mojo. Trash in, trash out. OP asked for feedback and that's what he got. The clue was mentioning ROI, real-estate and page-copy standards.. is this not feedback? Was his page not 'somewhat lacking'?

As for quoting one of my tweets [irrelevantly.. stalker..] , hehe yes I say what I think. To explain my perspective, IMO generally agencies lack accountability, commitment and skills imo, and they spew away clients' cash - hence my tweet. I'm an in-house SEO - We crush Agencies and we run agencies, we don't work in agencies. =) .

**mojo** · 13 June 2012, 3:55 am

Well the OP is not a newbie. He's been at this for awhile so he deserves some respect, no? Half the battle is sticking with it. He has done so.

You have personality, I give you that. And I like that. I really do. We need more of that.

It wouldn't kill ya to give some encouragement if you don't mind me saying so.

**ddm** · 13 June 2012, 3:59 am

@mojo - i gave him my valuable time and feedback.
FWIW half the battle is doing things correctly, not "sticking with it"...

If the OP is not a newbie, he should know not to stick what is essentially bullshit content up on his site, shouldn't he?

I'm not here to give encouragement, I did however take time out to help the guy out with some avenues to address to improve his/her bottom line.. not sure why you are trying to single me out here exactly Mojo?.... Is there something I am missing here? Maybe have too much time on your hands "if you don't mind me saying so.."?

**mojo** · 13 June 2012, 4:09 am

Maybe have too much time on your hands "if you don't mind me saying so.."?

I have zero time for this. But that's ok. Though you are correct on some things, and the OP should listen to what you say, I take with a grain of salt this kind of advice.

I appreciate your valuable time.

**ddm** · 13 June 2012, 4:28 am

Originally Posted by mojo

I take with a grain of salt this kind of advice.

I appreciate your valuable time.

a grain of salt huh. I'd be really interested which advice you would take with this grain of salt, and why.
What on earth are you doing in this thread? You're certainly not contributing to it.

**mojo** · 13 June 2012, 4:51 am

a grain of salt huh. I'd be really interested which advice you would take with this grain of salt, and why.

Happy to.

SEO experts, specialists, tell you what you what works that they have found. That is valuable for the basics but in order to be successful, you need to take it further upon yourself and that is what the OP needs to do. Find your niche, and refine it. Become your own expert. Learn to write and evolve. It is up to the webmaster.

Gambling affiliating is an incredibly saturated and competitive industry that is super hard to earn on. It doesn't help to tell someone what an idiot they are that they spelled something wrong. It takes perserverance and a tenacious will. It is not for the weak of heart and you must be able to roll with the punches over a long period of time.

It's not as simple as writing a good page, or a good code.

I am sorry if I am not contributing to this thread. I just come from the heart. But that is the stuff a gambling affiliate is made of. They don't teach you that in seo school.

**ddm** · 13 June 2012, 5:02 am

it wasn't about misspelling. the content is weak and will not convert the user. It is clear that whoever wrote it has never played poker in their life and doesn't appreciate the needs of the user (the player) nor do they even bother to address the desires of the different types of poker player
(cash, sng, mtt, bonus *****, rake racer)....

I agree with what you say wholeheartedly, content is king. Good content that is.. Getting someone with no holistic niche understanding to write about sometihng (eg brain surgery) is as artificial as me sending YOU on a date, to represent ME.

as for your "They don't teach you that in SEO school." comment - I don't know if you have an axe to grind with SEOs buddy. Don't waste your time grinding it one who takes the time to help the GPWA community imho, and please don't try to troll / patronise me on here, if that's what you were trying to do. This thread is about helping the OP fix their site, remember?

**mojo** · 13 June 2012, 5:09 am

as for your "They don't teach you that in SEO school." comment - I don't know if you have an axe to grind with SEOs buddy. Don't waste your time grinding it one who takes the time to help the GPWA community imho, and please don't try to troll / patronise me on here, if that's what you were trying to do. This thread is about helping the OP fix their site, remember?

Affiliates, please research SEO advice.

the content is weak and will not convert the user.

The content may be weak but you don't know it won't convert. You have no basis to say that. It may do better, yes. But you cannot claim that it won't convert.

**ddm** · 13 June 2012, 9:46 am

Originally Posted by mojo

Affiliates, please research SEO advice.

what SEO advice? We were talking about conversion rate optimisation and copywriting.

Originally Posted by mojo

You have no basis to say that. It may do better, yes. But you cannot claim that it won't convert.

if it was converting well, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

**Anthony** · 13 June 2012, 10:08 am

There is a fine line between constructive criticism and insulting criticism. Let try to be more constructive.

**ddm** · 13 June 2012, 10:31 am

the only insult in this thread was having to read the page copy on the OPs site tbh. I call a spade a spade. If something is total dog-****, don't expect me to say it's "somewhat lacking"

Anthony, perhaps could keep the trolls in line instead of trying to get your contributors to wear kidgloves.

**casinorecommender** · 14 June 2012, 12:00 pm

Most of the clicks are coming from those buttons instead of banners.!

Originally Posted by Paul_

I really like the red button at the bottom, that should convert!

**casinorecommender** · 14 June 2012, 12:04 pm

thanks a lot for the important points that were impressed by you Dear Mojo. You have described what i really felt after reading "gamblingseo" comments. We have to tell the truth to everyone but the wording is very much important. Thanks a lot for your support!

**casinorecommender** · 14 June 2012, 12:06 pm

Dear Gambling SEO, the problem is your information is invaluable but your marketing (i mean your offering style) is unmotivating. So please you also read some books and articles on communication with the people

No offense !

Thanks for your contributions.

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