Webmaster Not knowing Who To Trust Anymore!

**casinolatte** · 15 May 2013, 12:52 am

I have been doing alot of reading in here and other places and all I see is all these once trusted programs falling from grace. As a webmaster how do you know who you can trust anymore. I mean people say read the affiliate terms before promoting their casinos but that is even effective anymore, specially when all these affiliate programs just change their terms on any given time as they see fit. In the last month I have pulled so many casinos from my site because they have fallen. Were is this going to end and how does it even become possible for the smaller affiliates to win at this game!

**Roulette Zeitung** · 15 May 2013, 5:46 am

Hello casinolatte,

Originally Posted by casinolatte

As a webmaster how do you know who you can trust anymore.

you can never know.

But ...

Do not just write, phone them and let common sense prevail. This is not a guarantee, but an impression.

Since I'm here in the forum, I have learned that affiliate manager and representatives of some casino programs think, webmasters are idiots.

It's all about money. No trick seems to be too dirty for some "companies" to refuse to pay webmasters earnings.

What's more, this behavior is criminal. You can call these people criminals so quiet, because that is the truth.

The only language they understand is the public reporting by name and Google positions.

Stupid they are. The number of webmasters do not increase, it falls. The golden early days are over. Who is scares today, is scared away forever.

Watch downright childish behavior. When I look at the ridiculous behavior for example from the "Communications Manager" by Stan James (Motto: keep silence), then I can only shake my head. Roxy tumbles into the abyss, and Ibexnetwork is stuck with the own contradictions. Same motto now: In the silence is our hope.

Just ridiculous!

These are just examples, but they are increasing.

In the German market some affiliate managers think, it's good to put pressure on the webmasters regularly. Or simply ignore their concerns because the Germans just have a precarious legal situation.

Who can sue in Israel or other countries to get the money back?

In my opinion, good affiliate company employees are...

-who are friendly.
-felt competent and not inflated wannabe.
-also be reached by phone.
-are not too cowardly to write in public forums, if there are problems.
-never refuse revenue share pay outs.

If the cooperation after an initial period of 1-3 months adduced successes, then have good hope.

But be always ready to fight, if the wind should rotate.

Their force like a truncheon is to pay out money or not, yours is the publicly spoken, free word.

What some affiliate companies do not understand ...
But you should always keep in mind ...
The pen is mightier than the sword in the long run.

Leopold

**lots0** · 15 May 2013, 9:18 am

Stay away from the programs that SPAM you... The spammers always end up being thieves as well.

SEARCH for the program name with [blacklist], [rogue], [scam] in the search query.
be creative, some of these programs spend big money on burying bad search results.

Don't believe the recommendations from anyplace that makes money from you signing up to a program. That includes GPWA, CAP, Casinomeister and anywhere else that is trolling for "new" affs to sign up to there programs.

In my experience the nicest aff managers are just con men, stick to the aff managers that are all business.

And one thing to remember, if a program stole or cheated someone else... They are going to steal from you and cheat you.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 22 May 2013, 5:49 am

Hello,

why some webmaster programs responding so late or not at all?

Mike shows you the answer, the possible daily routine of some very, very "professional" affilliate manager.

(Yesterday seen in my real Casino: 14 times Low (|1-18|) in a row, later 11 times 2nd Dozen (|13-24|) in a row and one hour later at the same table 5 times Double Street 13-18 in a row.

A day of extremes.
Like many days of some affiliate managers who should better prefer to care for their webmasters rather than knocking down fences.

Hope you enjoy your stay.

Leopold

**sweetbet** · 27 May 2013, 8:39 pm

Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung

The golden early days are over.

I really miss those days. The very early days of online casinos when it was very easy to rank for any keyword and there was no shortage of payment processors. When there were only a few million websites indexed in google and far less competition. Those were the days my friend. I thought they'd never end

**Roulette Zeitung** · 1 June 2013, 6:10 am

Hello sweetbet,

Originally Posted by sweetbet

Those were the days my friend. I thought they'd never end

it's nice to walk down memory lane together.

Thank you that you have taken the time to write.
Some people may think that writing in a forum is self-evident.
It is not.
But the conditions must be right.
A decent deal with each other.
Yes, with each other...

Do it well.

Leopold

**Roulette Zeitung** · 14 June 2013, 8:23 am

Hello,

the moderator, she oder he, who let again disappeared a harmless posting from me here in this topic without any notice, should now have the guts to write me why.

Why

No yada yada, a provided justifying.

Public or via PM. I do not care.

It's the 3rd time now, and i'm fed up with it.

I made a screenshot of the harmless disappeared posting from the browser cache of our 2nd computer and will make a screenshot of this posting for saftey immediately after submit to sent (both) to Anthony when he is back.

Anyone who reads my posts, sees that I do not write only nonsense.

And if anyone has no sense of humor...
It's not my fault.

The person should read this topic https://www.dietistaktuellt.com/forum/i-am-very...tml#post722867 to realize that it is better to invest his mental strength in important things and not trying to scare away committed users.

The honest users and readers I wish a nice weekend.

Leopold

**lots0** · 14 June 2013, 9:03 am

@Leopold,
Your not the only one that is tired of the heavy handed censorship that has become the "norm" here.

I have had many posts just disappear(or get buried) here and to be quite honest I am fed up with it.

No notice or contact from the Mods, just posts and sometimes even threads just gone without a word... unless you complain.

Bad way to run a forum IMO. Sure makes people angry when they are secretly and sneakingly censored all the time.

**slotplayer** · 14 June 2013, 9:47 am

as far as affiliate programs go, for years I've been saying to myself mostly that "I'm amazed how so many affiliates don't apply the lessons learned in everyday life to this industry".

**Roulette Zeitung** · 14 June 2013, 10:16 am

A sorrow shared is a sorrow halved.

I think i should read "The Emperor's New Clothes" after 60 years again this evening.

Scrutinize the motives.
Scaring /scaring away users unnecessarily.
Why?
And not having the guts to stand for it.
If you will receive no notification via PM then the person must not stand with the name for what she/he is doing.

I can stand for what i am doing and writing.

Without writing users any forum is a dead place. That should not to be buried in oblivion. Who denounces abuses in a forum, must be a role model in his own actions. This also applies to moderators.

Motives?

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
(Mr. Spock)

Leopold

**bauss** · 17 June 2013, 1:29 am

You build relationships with affiliates, and you trust them based on the business you do with them. That way you'll have lot's of different revenue sources, and if one affiliate stops paying or closes down, it's not the end. You just build stronger relationships with other affiliates, and continue to make more money. You have to hustle.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 19 June 2013, 11:24 am

Originally Posted by lots0

@Leopold,
Your not the only one that is tired of the heavy handed censorship that has become the "norm" here.

I have had many posts just disappear(or get buried) here and to be quite honest I am fed up with it.

No notice or contact from the Mods, just posts and sometimes even threads just gone without a word... unless you complain.

Bad way to run a forum IMO. Sure makes people angry when they are secretly and sneakingly censored all the time.

Richard Georg Strauss, a leading German composer of the late Romantic and early modern eras worldwide known for his operas and tone peoms e.g. "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" will be censored: https://www.dietistaktuellt.com/forum/ok-promot...tml#post723671

Incredible!

Leopold

**edgarf76** · 28 June 2013, 1:59 pm

Originally Posted by casinolatte

I have been doing alot of reading in here and other places and all I see is all these once trusted programs falling from grace. As a webmaster how do you know who you can trust anymore. I mean people say read the affiliate terms before promoting their casinos but that is even effective anymore, specially when all these affiliate programs just change their terms on any given time as they see fit. In the last month I have pulled so many casinos from my site because they have fallen. Were is this going to end and how does it even become possible for the smaller affiliates to win at this game!

IMO You have to take a risk with each company that a person deals with. The better the reputation the less you have to stress. However I think the best thing to do is diversify. Make sure you do not put all your eggs in one basket.

**ocreditor** · 11 July 2013, 5:14 am

Originally Posted by bauss

You build relationships with affiliates, and you trust them based on the business you do with them. That way you'll have lot's of different revenue sources, and if one affiliate stops paying or closes down, it's not the end.

Agreed. And it's important to do quality checks from time to time since a lot of casinos/affiliates fall.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 5 August 2013, 10:01 am

Hello,

i have an addition to one of my most important posts in this forum (Located as 2nd post in this thread: https://www.dietistaktuellt.com/forum/webmaster-not-knowing-who-trust-anymore-211393.html#post721025)

Water is water. If you put red ink into it, it's still water.

Private messages are private messages. If you put "ink" into it, they are still private messages.

Private!

Dear reader, you know, what private means.

Who shall have the right to decide when a private message is no longer private?

Who?

Who shall have the right to play the role of a judge?

Is there anybody who shall have the right?

Yes or no—don't wait for the translation—yes or no?

Beeing a casino affiliate program representative and quoting from private messages in a public forum is really pathetic.

It's a sign of weakness. An intelligent person handles "inked" private messages with cleverness and skit. Making them public in a forum is to cry out for revenge.

And a businessman has always, I repeat always to be a role model.

Leopold

**ocreditor** · 16 September 2013, 6:47 am

Wow, love is in the air

**Roulette Zeitung** · 20 October 2013, 11:22 am

Title of this thread: "Webmaster Not knowing Who To Trust Anymore!"
That's right if i look closely into this thread.

There is no doubt, if a casino is ripping off players, then the affiliate program is dubious too.
I will give the readers two positive examples, how you can act as a model.

Europa Casino (Europartners)
Star Games (Star Games Affiliates)

Over the last years, and i am talking about many years, no real player complaints with substance exist.
In Germany absolute zero!

More...?

===> https://www.dietistaktuellt.com/forum/attention...tml#post736434

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And one example what Platinum really means?

At e.g. Europa Casino from Europartners players can cashout with the highest VIP level up to $/Euro 50k (in words fifty thousand) every month!

A webmaster don't need sad or ripped-off players. They don't come back. If you want earn money in the long term and also in times, where you have problems to find new players because if illness, Google updates, just unlucky weeks..., then you need some high rollers who are playing not only for money, playing for entertainment and to have fun, wanted to be treated well.

Finding these players is hard work but not impossible. You choose not only the affiliate program, the casino too. And the last thing you should promote is a black casino.

Leopold

**ocreditor** · 21 October 2013, 2:32 am

Thanks for this useful post Leopold

Regarding

Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung

...
...
I will give the readers two positive examples, how you can act as a model.

Europa Casino (Europartners)
Star Games (Star Games Affiliates)

Over the last years, and i am talking about many years, no real player complaints with substance exist.
In Germany absolute zero!
....

Leopold

I can add bet365 & All slots casino - no real player complaints ever registered on ocr.

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