Please Welcome WPN Affiliates as a new Platinum Sponsor!

**niklasm** · 29 February 2020, 12:24 pm

Welcome to the forum

**TheGooner** · 29 February 2020, 4:25 pm

So have I got this right ?

1/ WPN cross promotes sports and casino to affiliate referred players - doesn't pay a commission on that action - but still expects poker affiliates to pay fees for deposits on non-poker deposits?

2/ WPN charge 7.5% on BTC deposits and withdrawals ?

Wow - a real money grubbing program with no shame.

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It's clear that this is a program to avoid.
Why exactly did GPWA think that this program was suitable as a "Platinum Sponsor" ?

I mean I understand that the fee they pay GPWA is sizable - but this program is pillaging players and affiliates.
They're hardly worth a recommendation - let alone a sponsor slot.

**ddm** · 1 March 2020, 5:29 pm

ACR cancels $1 Million tourney midway through due to technical difficulties."
https://twitter.com/ACR_POKER/status...835622914?s=19

oh dear. this site just gets worse and worse.

edit: I bet they don't do an ICM chop either.

**WPN Affiliates Team** · 3 March 2020, 7:12 am

Originally Posted by Jambo

Wow this answer is very special

Another question: Why you charge 7,5% transaction fees for a simple bitcoin transaction which costs only a few cent? is it normal and fair to deduct 75$ if a player deposit 1k by Bitcoin?

And welcome to GPWA

We charge an admin fee percentage on all deposits and withdrawals to our poker room, which is 7%.

**ddm** · 3 March 2020, 8:42 am

Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

We charge an admin fee percentage on all deposits and withdrawals to our poker room, which is 7%.

negating the benefit of using BTC (to avoid fees) for the customer.

absurd moneygrab

**PROFRBcom** · 3 March 2020, 10:55 am

Originally Posted by TheGooner

So have I got this right ?

Originally Posted by TheGooner

1/ WPN cross promotes sports and casino to affiliate referred players - doesn't pay a commission on that action - but still expects poker affiliates to pay fees for deposits on non-poker deposits?

2/ WPN charge 7.5% on BTC deposits and withdrawals ?

Wow - a real money grubbing program with no shame.

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It's clear that this is a program to avoid.
Why exactly did GPWA think that this program was suitable as a "Platinum Sponsor" ?

I mean I understand that the fee they pay GPWA is sizable - but this program is pillaging players and affiliates.
They're hardly worth a recommendation - let alone a sponsor slot.

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Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

We charge an admin fee percentage on all deposits and withdrawals to our poker room, which is 7%.

And is there a method by which players can deposit directly to the sports book and casino?

Or are all deposits handled through the poker client, and thus the "admin fee" is charged on "all deposits and withdrawals to our poker room", even if that money winds up in the sports book and/or casino?

When was the fee lowered to 7% from 7.5%?

**WPN Affiliates Team** · 3 March 2020, 1:06 pm

Originally Posted by PROFRBcom

That is correct. Some examples:

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And is there a method by which players can deposit directly to the sports book and casino?

Or are all deposits handled through the poker client, and thus the "admin fee" is charged on "all deposits and withdrawals to our poker room", even if that money winds up in the sports book and/or casino?

When was the fee lowered to 7% from 7.5%?

The WPN affiliate program has always strictly been a poker affiliate program and our processing payment calculations are based solely on money deposited and withdrawn through the poker client. Our business model is to give back more to poker players than any other site on the internet while our profits as an operator come from casino and sports revenue. It is this large amount of rake that we give back to the player through promotions and rewards that makes our product easy to sell so our partners can in-turn profit as well. If you do not agree with this business model or the partner’s share in processing costs, then simply don’t promote us.

**ddm** · 3 March 2020, 2:12 pm

Well it was an eye opener for me that you have been charging affils for transactions where they don't make $ (casino/sports)=> totally absurd.

Why don't you ring-fence that side of things and take the variance yourself. after all this side of things is your business not any "partnership".

Shows a lot of balls coming in here and shrugging it off with "go somewhere else".. to your potential customers.
Also you just showed us that if we promote you, we give you juicy casino/sports customers for FREE, FOR LIFE, WITH NO MARKETING SPEND lol. You charge us for the privilege. What the deuce!?

fact is, you only have affiliates because they have v little choice where to send that gray US traffic. Believe me, i have spoken to a few.

"Our business model is to give back more to poker players"
yeah, that's nice. So they get rakeback (which you seem to be incapable of even accurately reporting on for months) - what about the people who spend their $/time/effort to give you the players? Evidently skim them as much as possible via side products / charges /fees seems to be how you roll.

". If you do not agree with this business model or the partner’s share in processing costs, then simply don’t promote us."
wow, what a cavalier attitude. but you have a DEAL!

I for one am taking you off 3 of my sites right now, with a warning not to play on your site due to unethical business practices. I see other affiliates have done likewise.. (Obvs i did not all read the small print when I signed up, like some more savvy people in here - naively assuming everything would be above board)

Your attitude in this thread was all the catalyst I needed to follow suit.

gg - you are the weakest link. goodbye.

p.s @ affils - a good way to tell the world about this stuff and hit this cardroom where it hurts => https://www.trustpilot.com/review/americascardroom.eu

edit: 84% bad right now. LOL.
99% bad soon I would wager (but at a different sportsbook)

**Jambo** · 4 March 2020, 9:37 am

Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

Our business model is to give back more to poker players than any other site on the internet while our profits as an operator come from casino and sports revenue. It is this large amount of rake that we give back to the player through promotions and rewards that makes our product easy to sell so our partners can in-turn profit as well. If you do not agree with this business model or the partner’s share in processing costs, then simply don’t promote us.

We from our side dont want to do or say anything bad against WPN. But what you write is simply not true.

Your promotions or rewards for players are ok or good if you compare it to sites who also accept traffic from US. If you compare it to other leading poker rooms absolutly nothing special. They give even more to players, give higher affiliate deals, almost everbody pay at least a bit commission for sports and casino even if poker is the main product and charge for a skrill or neteller deposit which really costs money only 2,5% average or nothing at all. For a bitcoin transaction max 1%! And we should mention that they have to pay taxes in different countries where the operate legal.

You give lower affiliate deals, have the same promotions/rewards or even less and charge for every bitcoin transaction 7,5% Fee! But it is your right to do it so and even charge 25% fee for a bitcoin transaction and affiliates can accept it and promote you or not.

To say we give more as every other poker room and we earn only money from sports/casino is......... and not the true. At least you should be so honest and say yes we want to earn more money and thats why we charge 7,5% Fees for every transaction. Because this is the real reason and nothing else.

I hope you dont mind if we make this here very clear: Almost no affiliate in the world would promote your brands if you would not accept so many countries which are excluded at other sites.Thats a fact!

But does not matter if any affiliate likes it or not, also not important if the conditions of WPN are fair or not. As you mentioned it very clear, if someone dont like it then he should simply not promote you

**AceHigh Pino** · 4 March 2020, 2:40 pm

Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

The WPN affiliate program has always strictly been a poker affiliate program and our processing payment calculations are based solely on money deposited and withdrawn through the poker client.

How does a player deposit and withdraw without using the poker client? I am unaware of how to do this. Can you please explain how? Perhaps provide us with pictures on how to access this deposit and withdrawal function outside of the poker client.

You offer the Sports and Casino directly in the poker client. That would seem to encourage people who have deposited within the poker client to participate in Sports and Casino play, and this would guarantee the affiliate is charged for those players deposits and withdrawals.

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**TheGooner** · 4 March 2020, 3:36 pm

Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

If you do not agree with this business model or the partner’s share in processing costs, then simply don’t promote us.

Message received and understood.

I think this response is a new low for GPWA sponsors.
Time to rethink the criteria Michael?

**WPN Affiliates Team** · 5 March 2020, 12:51 pm

The online poker industry has been on the decline year after year. Operators aren’t making as much money, affiliates aren’t making as much money, and most importantly, poker players aren’t making as much money.

Many other operators can offer you either a much higher CPA commission or Revenue Share deal with lesser or no processing costs, along with profits on both sports and casino. Time and time again, these companies have ended up being insolvent, leaving both players and affiliates unpaid.

We have not chosen that path, and instead choose a business model in which everyone can profit.

Online poker only works with player liquidity. In a new era in which it’s harder than ever for a poker player to profit, we feel it’s of the upmost importance to reinvest profits back to the players.

As the only online poker network with consistent growth over the past 10 years, we’ve had to invest considerable capital in overlays to grow higher tournament guarantees along with multiple negative profit promotions. Additionally, given the market that we service, we have fewer processing options and our premiums are higher than those of our competitors. We do ask our profiting revenue share affiliates to share some part of that expense.

It has been suggested in some of the posts that we are not being upfront on the deal we are offering and unfairly taking away from affiliate profits.

While the deal has been publicly posted on our website for years, we want to state it here so there is no confusion.

This is our standard offer:

CPA: Commissions to be released after the minimum deposit and minimum rake requirements have been met. CPA affiliates do not incur any additional processing costs.
There is a 7% flat admin fee charged to all existing Revenue Share affiliates on all player deposits and withdrawals to our poker client.
We are currently not offering new Revenue Share deals.
Commissions are based on poker revenue generated only, there are no affiliate commissions on our casino or sports products.

This is what we offer and the above outlines our reasoning for our current deal structure.

If you feel this deal is not for you and wish to promote another brand, we understand and wish you continued success.

That being said, we would of course love the opportunity to continue (or start) working with all of you in a mutually beneficial and sustainable partnership.

WPN AFFILIATES

**Jambo** · 6 March 2020, 1:06 am

Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

Many other operators can offer you either a much higher CPA commission or Revenue Share deal with lesser or no processing costs, along with profits on both sports and casino. Time and time again, these companies have ended up being insolvent, leaving both players and affiliates unpaid.

A fact is that a bitcoin transaction costs for everybody the same

For you the same as for ever other operator! Almost all operators share the costs for the transactions, thats absolutly normal. Funny is only that you charge 7% for a bitcoin transaction which costs a few cent and the money goes into the pocket of WPN and other operators charge for a skrill/neteller or credit card transaction 2,5-4% fees where it is understandable because they really have to pay fees for such transactions.

Every operator has the same problems as WPN and even more costs because they have to pay taxes in different countries/markets where they operate legal. To say that you have higher costs as other operators is crazy,sorry.

To make it again clear:

- Other leading poker operator offer the same rewards/rakeback for players. Even more!
- They give a higher rev share deals as WPN does
- They have higher costs for different licenses/tax
- They also charge a fee for transactions. But a fair amount!
- Usually everybody give also a commission for casino/sports as side product if poker is the main ( For good affiliates )

So everybody can offer much more as WPN and is still able to pay all affliates and players but WPN not?

You make so incredible much money because of lower deals, extra income from the 7% transaction fees, sports/casino and of course your noemal poker income.

Anyway we wish you the best of luck and every affiliate has the choice to work with you or not. Honestly the only real argument to promote WPN is that you accept a lot of markets which are not allowed at all other operator who works with official licenses.

If you would overthink a few things and make it for affiliates more fair and profitable i am sure you would benefit more from it and WPN would grow faster.

**ddm** · 16 March 2020, 9:42 am

some redditors not happy with ACR => https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...tremely_shady/
TLDR - guy deposits, ACR claims he did chargebacks previously, keeps most of his deposit - Neither ACR or OP's bank has proof of chargebacks..

**cantona07** · 16 March 2020, 6:01 pm

Hello and welcome, Camille

**Jon Nilson** · 24 March 2020, 7:03 am

Welcome as sponsor, WPN Affiliates!

**PROFRBcom** · 5 April 2020, 4:20 pm

Originally Posted by WPN Affiliates Team

There is a 7% flat admin fee charged to all existing Revenue Share affiliates on all player deposits and withdrawals to our poker client

And there is no other way to deposit and withdraw outside of the poker client correct? I assume this is the case since the question has been asked multiple times in this thread and an answer has not been forthcoming. As such, the affiliates pay for all casino and sports book deposits and withdrawal action.

Or am I missing something here?

I also note that in the emails sent to players, it clearly states to BET THROUGH THE POKER CLIENT, which the affiliate pays for.
Exhibit A, sent out to players today:

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**fullbenefit** · 5 April 2020, 11:02 pm

WPN, please add more cash out options, our and other players are begging, at least one more option. Not every single person wants to cash out in crypto, at least not everytime.

Also, pay your affiliates for casino and betting action! At least for casino, since now you are just freeroling at the affiliate's expense and you hardly provide decent freerolls/leaderboards for the affiliates. So step it up, change this and then you will be on the right path.

**Cash Bonus** · 5 April 2020, 11:47 pm

PokCas makes a very valid point. Although Bitcoin is great, but not everyone has a Bitcoin wallet and also doesn't want anything to do with Bitcoin. WPN, at least "seriously consider" also implementing the common payment methods preferred by affiliates such as bank wire transfer, bank cheque, Neteller and Skrill. This will make a big difference and you'll find that you'll acquire a lot more affiliates this way and they'll be more willing to work with you. Take your affiliates seriously so they do the same for you

**PROFRBcom** · 19 April 2020, 3:24 pm

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Currently the affiliate stats for all brands are not updating, for 3 days.

The website for the WPN brand True Poker's affiliate back end is a 404 error.

Many players on 2+2 poker forums have reported missing funds, deposits, etc as well as delayed withdrawals.

Would be nice to get some clarification to affiliates on what is causing these problems and why they are taking so long to resolve. One would think these would be drop-everything-top-tier-priority items on the business's agenda...

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