Not payed earnings 6 months now

**ilrem** · 8 May 2012, 5:17 am

Hi all,
I am an affiliate in affutd and i havent get payed the last 6 months,for my november 2011 cpa earnings.all i am getting from affutd and my account manager was "next week my friend" and it has been weeks.My cashier account is been approved BUT i have nt get payed YET.
Also i tryed to contact a person who has solve this kind of problems in the past here in gpwa,from willhill by giving his adress eran.arad @ williamhill . com to the forums
SO PEOPLE WILL NOT POST BAD THINGS ABOUT HIS COMPANY,but aventually i had all the good mood to sent him 3 emails and solve it without posting BUT i had no response back.

is there anyone who can help me?

**David Bazak** · 8 May 2012, 8:48 am

Hi Ilrem,

Please can you send me your username. I will make sure that this is issue is handled for you.

**ilrem** · 8 May 2012, 4:10 pm

my user name in affutd is "theaffiliate"

thank you for your concern in my problem,i really appreciate it!
i have been trying for long time to solve this out in a nice way and not by posting
BUT i had no other patience and no other choice!

Thank you in advance

ilrem

**David Bazak** · 9 May 2012, 2:58 am

Hi,

I have spoken to your Affiliate Manager and someone will be in contact with you.

Regards

David

**ilrem** · 11 May 2012, 2:50 am

Hi,
well still nothing.ZERO.
THEY CONTACT ME TO NAGOTIATE WITH ME.
I am loosing my patience with their tricks.

Mr David i have sent you an email
Regards
ilrem

**justbookies** · 11 May 2012, 6:10 pm

Originally Posted by ilrem

Hi,
well still nothing.ZERO.
THEY CONTACT ME TO NAGOTIATE WITH ME.
I am loosing my patience with their tricks.

Mr David i have sent you an email
Regards
ilrem

Do not worry. Some affiliates can go off the radar with affutd, but it will be sorted out. It's just frustrating until that happens.
David Bazak is a good guy (deep down!), so even if you are dealing with your affiliate manager keep copying in David until you get paid . . . and you will get paid.

**ilrem** · 14 May 2012, 12:30 pm

Well
still nothing,nobody seems to care really.
by bitching over here in a nice way nobody cares.i think i will start
to post some really good stuff by tomorrow.

As i have seen in other posting they dont leave their tricks behind.

**universal4** · 14 May 2012, 1:39 pm

ilrem,

Have you discussed this directly with David?

If your motivation is to get get this worked out in a professional manner, I suggest taking a bit of time and trying to discuss this with David directly first.

If he says he is looking into it, try and be patient, if you do not hear back after a few days a little gentle nudging might be necessary, but do give him a bit of time and leeway to get this sorted for you.

I have found him to honestly care about the brand and that he will do his best to take care of issues that affiliates have.

Rick
Universal4

**David Bazak** · 14 May 2012, 3:36 pm

Hi,

I know this matter is being dealt with the utmost importance. I have not had any communcation with the Affilitae as he does not come under my area. (except for a couple of aggresive personal emails sent to me).

I do know that he has been contacted and without going into too much detail, know that the account has had a number of questions raised about it.

These situations can be complicated, we are here to help. We are also here to run a business which has very clear terms and conditions in it.

We know how hard Affiliates work and we know that sometimes this is their only source of income and that . Should all this be a misundertsanding and a complete coincidence that ALL (every single one) of the players that were sent were bonus abusers, that followed patterns for CPA abuse. Then I am sure a comprimise will be met.

Someone will be in touch tomorrow.

**universal4** · 14 May 2012, 3:56 pm

Yea, I wondered if this was another case of CPA issues....they do tend to be more problematic....

....in the end Revshare is the way to go to be paid honestly for actual sales made....

Rick
Universal4

**planetluck** · 15 May 2012, 5:22 am

HI all,

i understand Mr. ilrem ,in past i had the same problem.
the thing is that deals are always deals. CPA is deal with manager and bonus
is a way companies try to attract new gamblers. So i believe
that this is not an affiliates fault.
6 months is a huge period.
Think as well that
how many players are lost from the affiliates (not paid as cpa) whi don't
match the first deposit criteria. WHO IS GETTING PAYED THESE PLAYERS???

Mr Bazak what would you do if you were not paid for 6 months as
mr. ilrem?

I hope this will finish the best way for all

**ilrem** · 15 May 2012, 12:30 pm

Hi all
I would like to THANK MR planetluck for his support!!!!!!!!!!

This is exacly my point of view! Thank you again that you have fully cover my opinion
about my issue!

As for the other posting i had,i would like to say to all of you who are reading this posts,SO YOU KNOW, that i have never sent ANY agressive emails to Mr Bazzak,but only 1 asking for his help
FOLLOWING THE ADVISE OF UNIVERSAL4 so it will end quite and fast SO i post it here:

Subject: request help by gpwa member irlem
From: *****************.com
Sent: May 10, 2012 07:58:41 AM
To: <[email protected]>

"Hello there

Thank you for your instant help!

my gpwa username is irlem and i recently have post my problem.

someone as you said contact me instantly but still no solution only negotiation to get way less,the offer was to get half,which i dont accept.

since i am not this kind of person to post more and i would like it to keep it quite but at the same time to finish this issue soon
i would like you to PLEASE help me or advice how this is going to end soon!

Thank you in advance!
irlem "

This is the only email i sent,and if Mr Bazzak thinks that this is an aggresive email
i APOLOGISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the only email i sent and i never had an answear back through email as i am not under the area of Mr Bazzak,i didnt know that this could be a problem to you Sir and i apologise again if i create an issue by trying to contact you in email and keep it quite and not posting.

As a lot of people say in here and i do beleve he will help me as he is a nice guy and
i have nothing personal against him or anybody else and i do have patience since i havent get payed 6 months now and i post after 6 months,
I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO SAY THAT NOBODY CONTACT ME today as Mr Bazzak said in his last post BUT deep inside me i beleve it will later this day or tomorrow.

Thanks again PLANETLUCK
I would like also to thank all of you for your advices and posts

talk to you ALL later

ILREM

**universal4** · 15 May 2012, 1:27 pm

ilrem,

I do not know the entire details of the situation, but since David clearly stated that it was CPA and that many (he actually stated 100%) of the players sent were bonus abusers that the account came into question.

If, as a gambling affiliate, all you ever do is send players to a property that signup, take a bonus (especially a freebie) and play it off never to return or ever play again, you can expect almost every single online casino affiliate program out there to have trouble paying you high CPA's on that traffic.

If the traffic you sent truly had a 100% ratio of bonus abuse and they offered you 50% cpa payment on that you might want to consider it since there are probably not many places that would even offer that.

If the traffic is valid gamblers, then you should send it under revshare since you would make more commissions anyway over the long term.

I do not know if you are a new affiliate or not (I can only see you are a new member here) but you have to understand that a casino can not pay huge CPA commissions on players that take a bonus and never play again....sure it will happen with some players....and may ever come in spurts where you get a handful during short periods, but it should NEVER be 100% of the traffic for an extended period of time.

I agree that the email you posted above is not seriously aggressive, but there was no reason to post the threat about keeping quiet only if the issue is ended soon....since any reference such as this does come off as a threat....

I encourage you to try and discuss this issue a bit more with David or your assigned affiliate manager calmly and you just may reach a decision that you both can live with.

Rick
Universal4

**David Bazak** · 15 May 2012, 2:42 pm

Guys,

I would also like to take this opportunity to apologise to ilrem when i said his emails were a aggressive I did get him confused with somebody else. Ilrem has been vey polite in his personal mails to me.

I wish I could do more my hands are really tied and I wish I could share Ilrems stats with you but I cant. Like I said before if this is all a misunderstanding and Ilrem has been set upon by a fraudulent band of bonus abusers, We will take this into account and make a compromise

I cannot share our Fraud detection details on a public forum for obvious reasons. Needless to say these players behaviuor tick every box.

**planetluck** · 15 May 2012, 4:31 pm

Hi again

i believe that bonus abusers is not affiliates fault ,
if mr. ilrems players were sharks he would get payed
more ???? Noway !! Why he or better we have to take less?

The point is that everybody must be satisfied. I dont believe all ilrems players
are just signed up to get the bonus. Better cpa should be waggered 2
or 3 times and then get paid.

Hope all will be fine .

**ilrem** · 15 May 2012, 5:10 pm

Hi all
I would like to thank PLANETLUCK for his support as well as Mr Bazzak for recognizing his fault in his posting.to be honest with you i was a bit surpised reading his post about my email and i did post it here today to defend my self,but probably it wasnt accepted because it had email adresses in SO its not in the posting wall

I have a question to Mr Bazzak.about the accusations to my account.
Is my stats showing how many new players i have nt get payed because they didnt match the critiria and if YES
who is getting payed this accounts? NOT me for sure!
This is something it can simply NOT be an accusation to my account.This players as you say abused bonus BUT they are still your players and will remain for the rest of their lifes, so you never know how much net gaming you will have in the future from them? Do you? as i will never find out either?
And if we speak hypotheticly why it should be MY problem if someone temporarly is not sattisfied by the products and services the company offers?
Why is this my problem? This is a risk that the company takes when they cooperate with cpa deals NOT mine.

I am not here to play the game with the cat and the mouse Mr Bazzak,i am simply here to solve my problem with my payment.
So i am just requesting my payment over here and i am not requesting bonus promises for example i had from affutd or how they will keep the cpa higher and higher just to push my campaigns for their new players or even how they pushed me to work with cpa so after all they will be the only ones who make a profit of this deal and get better deals from will hill and better positions by the traffic,and simply after all they just dont want to pay with this cheap excuses.
A deal is a deal.
because simply, as i said to the personal email that i sent you its not my character to post all this emails and everything i have to protect my payment or i will give out here accusation from my side so i will keep the posting game on.
So please do NOT accuse my acount stats to this people here ,that they read daily, just to make it sound like it is my fault that i havent get payed or just to play a mind game.
because i can find a million accusations back to this issue so i will just protect my self and my payement that affutd owes me.
I know this is obviously a reason from affutd so they will not pay but you need to understand that THIS IS NOT MY FAULT.
and i will do everything to get my payment.

i beleve that everyone who could possibly be in my position can understand me and my problem and my point of view , even someone that works in affutd or will hill

Thank you in advance
ilrem

p.s Mr bazzak i have totally nothing against you personally and i would like to thank you again for beeing
fast responding to me and trying to help me.I really appreciate it!

p.s2 Thanks again for your support PLANETLUCK

**universal4** · 15 May 2012, 6:31 pm

ilrem,

I do hope you stick around the GPWA for the long term and come to learn that just because someone doesn't agree with your postion or opinion on a matter doesn't mean they don't support you or would fight for your right to speak your mind, post your opinion or even try and get you in touch with the right individuals to resolve an issue.

There are way more resopurces and help here for affiliates beyond the any single forum.

Please keep us posted as to whether you were able to come to an agreement that you felt comfortable with.

Rick
Universal4

**David Bazak** · 16 May 2012, 3:17 am

Plantluck,

Like I said if the bonus abusers were not his fault then a compromise will be met.

1. These guys will never play in our sportsbook/casino again they are not players they are abusers of the system.
2. It clearly states in our rules that we do not accept these types of players not will we pay for them.
3. If they had turned out to be whales - I assure you Mr Ilrem would ahve been rewarded - (you dont have to beleive that, but I assure you its true)
4. Tell me is it not suspicious that every single player followed the same Fraud bonus abusing patterns?

I also hope that this problem is resolved, Ilrems Am has been travelling the last few days and will be back soon. I am sure it will all be cleared up when he is back.

Originally Posted by planetluck

Hi again

i believe that bonus abusers is not affiliates fault ,
if mr. ilrems players were sharks he would get payed
more ???? Noway !! Why he or better we have to take less?

The point is that everybody must be satisfied. I dont believe all ilrems players
are just signed up to get the bonus. Better cpa should be waggered 2
or 3 times and then get paid.

Hope all will be fine .

**planetluck** · 16 May 2012, 5:56 am

Hi again.

Personaly i dont know Mr ilrems stats and
how that happend i just dont understand why his
am didnt explain him the situation and try to find
a solution earlier. Mr ilrems acc manager didnt got paid for ilrems
players?

I know how system works and there must be a fast
end. 6 months is destruction . We pat thousand
for ads and for some of us is the only income .

Why in rev. share companies gives free cash which
we dont pay it ,only our account goes minus if a player
wins with that free cash.

I find it unfair.

I wish all account managers could be helpful
and trustworthy like you Mr Bazak.

Mr ilrem keep emails of ads and traffic proofs.
And change your account to revenue.

Originally Posted by David Bazak

Plantluck,

Like I said if the bonus abusers were not his fault then a compromise will be met.

1. These guys will never play in our sportsbook/casino again they are not players they are abusers of the system.
2. It clearly states in our rules that we do not accept these types of players not will we pay for them.
3. If they had turned out to be whales - I assure you Mr Ilrem would ahve been rewarded - (you dont have to beleive that, but I assure you its true)
4. Tell me is it not suspicious that every single player followed the same Fraud bonus abusing patterns?

I also hope that this problem is resolved, Ilrems Am has been travelling the last few days and will be back soon. I am sure it will all be cleared up when he is back.

**ilrem** · 21 May 2012, 3:43 am

Well
As you all said i had the patience to wait BUT still nothing.
Nobody was in touch with me about my payment issue as Mr Bazzak said.
The AM are always in travelling or holidays.They dont seem to really care.
They just want to make money and do whatever it has to be done
SO ,WE, affiliates will not get what is OURS!

Mr Planetluck i was clever enouph to keep the emails and the receipts of my campaigns,thank God! Which i have sent them to my AM but nothing.
i also have keep my acount and campaigns down of course as this company and mostly this guys that they work there are not TRUSTWORTHY to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYMORE
They do everything just against the affiliates!

and if i start posting here my conversations and the emails i had from them THEY will not be trustworthy to you EITHER!

Aswer to Mr Bazzak about what he posted to Mr planetluck about my acount and payment:

Mr Bazzak i have all the proofs i need to protect my self and my payment
A deal is a deal.
players brought to you and match the criteria = my payment WHICH I WANT!!!!!!!!!!
I am not requesting something strange over here.
Your platform accepted the players and i was pushing my campaigns harder and harder every day, and at the end your companys answer is you dont accept this kind of players? How We(affiliates)should know?

(How you all would of feel if someone who worked for didnt pay for 6months and
they were avoiding to do so with so many CHEAP EXCUSES!.)

how can you proof what you accuse my acount for? How can i know
what in the future will happen with this players? and why this is my fault?
WHAT IF THEY START PLAYING AGAIN? AFTER 1 YEAR. How you know?How i will know?

What if those players are NOT happy with your companys products?
Why this is my fault so i will not get payed?
THIS IS YOUR COMPANYS RISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT MINE
I AM THE LAST IN THIS PYRAMID as all afilliates! we(affiliates)get the less.

SO NOW I AM ACCUSING YOU THAT THE PLAYERS WERENT HAPPY ABOUT YOUR COMPANYS PRODUCTS and they were not BONUS ABUSERS ,AND THEY ARE JUST TAKING A BREAK,

but I WANT MY PAYMENT!!!!!!!!!! and those players are yours now so try to make them happy as YOU have their personal emails,and adresses NOT ME!

this is your answer Mr Bazzak in the acusations to my acount and to the players.

ILREM

p.s where is this someone who is going to be in touch with me and solve my payment problem Mr Bazzak?
I am waiting for so long!

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