No payment since 2 months! and no Email answers! It's enough!

**Dricher1983** · 9 October 2010, 11:24 am

I haven' received the payment for 2 months now and they owe me around 5500 Euro, also i can't login since a few days and the commissionking side seem to be a big bug at time!
https://www.commissionking.com/signup.php

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<META name=robots content=index,follow><META name=Description content="Sign Up and Join the CommissionKing Affiliate Program."><LINK rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.ico"><LINK rel=stylesheet type=text/css href="css/mainstyle.css"><SCRIPT type=text/javascript src="js/dropdown.js"></SCRIPT><SCRIPT language=javascript type=text/javascript> var c; var k=0; var j=0; var ary=[]; var divs=document.getElementsByTagName('div'); var lnks=document.getElementsByTagName('a'); var splt; function init() { for(c=0;c<divs.length;c++) { if(divs[c].className=='show') { divs[c].className='hide'; divs[c].id='d'+k++; } } for(c=0;c<lnks.length;c++) { if(lnks[c].className=='hide') { ary[c]=true; lnks[c].className='anavrolloverCopy'; lnks[c].id='a'+j++; lnks[c].onmouseover=function() { splt=this.id.split('a')[1]; if(ary[splt]==true) { //this.firstChild.nodeValue='hide '+(parseFloat(splt)+1); ary[splt]=false; showdiv(splt); return false; } else { //this.firstChild.nodeValue='show '+(parseFloat(splt)+1); ary[splt]=true; document.getElementById('d'+splt).className='hide' ; return false; } } } } } function showdiv(num) { for(c=0;c<j;c++){ //document.getElementById('a'+c).firstChild.nodeValu e='show '+(c+1); //document.getElementById('a'+num).firstChild.nodeVa lue='hide '+(parseFloat(num)+1); ary[c]=true; ary[num]=false; } for(c=0;c<divs.length;c++) { if(divs[c].className=='show') { divs[c].className='hide'; } } document.getElementById('d'+num).className='show'; } if(window.addEventListener){ window.addEventListener('load',init,false); } else { if(window.attachEvent){ window.attachEvent('onload',init); } }</SCRIPT>

Also i received no answers to my emails, so i have to make it public!
Silver sponsor...what a big joke it is!
My username is at Commissionking:" bonushunting "

**CK - Schalk** · 10 October 2010, 5:28 pm

Hi Dricher,

Unfortunately I haven't received any of your emails. Could you please let me know where you are sending them? You should have my email address as well, as I have contacted you from it before.

I have however sent you another email.

Regards
Schalk

**Dricher1983** · 10 October 2010, 9:34 pm

Hi,

Your account has unfortunately been flagged for investigation, and as a result has been locked, and the funds frozen.

Please note the following term on CommissionKing website:

5.5 Good Faith

The Affiliate will not benefit from known or suspected traffic not generated in good faith whether or not it actually causes Canbet.com damage. Canbet.com reserves the right to retain all amounts due to the Affiliate under this Agreement if Canbet.com have reasonable cause to believe that such traffic has been caused with the Affiliate's knowledge. Even if the Affiliate has not knowingly generated such traffic, Canbet.com reserves the right to withhold Advertising Revenue with respect to such traffic.

https://www.commissionking.com/canbet-terms.html

I will get in touch should further investigation deem this decision to be reversed.

Regards
Schalk

You can't be serious!!! This is the biggest **** i have ever read. Please everyone who also got kicked and get NO EMAIL from him, post a reply. Just pay me my commission and the rest should not matter anymore!

**CK - Schalk** · 10 October 2010, 9:59 pm

Please note the below in the email:

Canbet.com reserves the right to retain all amounts due to the Affiliate under this Agreement if Canbet.com have reasonable cause to believe that such traffic has been caused with the Affiliate's knowledge. Even if the Affiliate has not knowingly generated such traffic, Canbet.com reserves the right to withhold Advertising Revenue with respect to such traffic.

Regards
Schalk

**Dricher1983** · 11 October 2010, 4:16 am

That's all what you have to say

Which standart answer you will send me next?

**derkomisar** · 13 October 2010, 6:46 pm

Same here, no replies to emails at all (at contact - at- commissionking.com) and can not login even if login/password combination is 100% correct

**CK - Schalk** · 13 October 2010, 6:51 pm

Hi derkomisar,

Could you please PM me your username or email address or email me on schalkv{at}sportingdata.com, and I'll see what the problem is.

Regards
Schalk

**derkomisar** · 13 October 2010, 6:58 pm

thanks for immediate reply, pming details

**thepokerkeep** · 14 October 2010, 3:43 am

Hi Schalk,

Could you explain what this clause actually means. I've read it more than once and just can't get my head around it.

5.5 Good Faith

The Affiliate will not benefit from known or suspected traffic not generated in good faith whether or not it actually causes Canbet.com damage. Canbet.com reserves the right to retain all amounts due to the Affiliate under this Agreement if Canbet.com have reasonable cause to believe that such traffic has been caused with the Affiliate's knowledge. Even if the Affiliate has not knowingly generated such traffic, Canbet.com reserves the right to withhold Advertising Revenue with respect to such traffic.

Thanks,

**Dricher1983** · 14 October 2010, 8:02 am

@pokerkeep
i think it means, that you know some player personal and if the IP Adress or anything else is at the same location it is fraud traffic. I don't understand such terms also, i mean as long as commissionking makes good money, where is the problem? All are happy, CK gets 1000, aff gets 200 and its ok!

or

what i also think why they kicked some affiliates, i mean you all can ask yourself, what is better to pay commission to an affiliate???

RIGHT !

KICK THE AFF. - KEEP THE PLAYERS AND GET 100%!

**GFPC** · 14 October 2010, 4:20 pm

That 5550 Euros? Is that a CPA or was that rev share? It is important and can shed light to this situation. Can the OP or AM post what it was?

**Dricher1983** · 14 October 2010, 4:23 pm

That 5550 Euros? Is that a CPA or was that rev share? It is important and can shed light to this situation. Can the OP or AM post what it was?<TABLE style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" class=tborder border=0 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center><TBODY><TR title="Post 616508" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2 width=125 align=middle>GFPC</TD><TD class=alt1>That 5550 Euros? Is that a CPA or was that rev share? It is important and can shed light to this situation. Can the OP or AM post what it was? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

it was rev. share, so its easy, CK earned around 20000 Euro...

**GFPC** · 14 October 2010, 4:28 pm

So i assume your on a what 25% rev share basis? If so your players generated around 22,000 Euros. You were not paid right? So u emailed them?

And is this the only form of communication you have a reason for non payment? and closure of your account?

Just trying to get my head around this term as well and please OP give permission to the AM to share your details on your players..

I would like to know the reason your traffic was deemed to be in bad faith but you will need to ask the AM to post all your details with your permission.

OP were these players your family at all or anyone connected to your business or yourself?

**Betpartners** · 14 October 2010, 4:34 pm

Originally Posted by Dricher1983

@pokerkeep
i think it means, that you know some player personal and if the IP Adress or anything else is at the same location it is fraud traffic. I don't understand such terms also, i mean as long as commissionking makes good money, where is the problem? All are happy, CK gets 1000, aff gets 200 and its ok!

or

what i also think why they kicked some affiliates, i mean you all can ask yourself, what is better to pay commission to an affiliate???

RIGHT !

KICK THE AFF. - KEEP THE PLAYERS AND GET 100%!

Think you will find it is a problem if it is against the terms and conditions.

My understanding of the term good faith

5.5 Good Faith

The Affiliate will not benefit from known or suspected traffic not generated in good faith whether or not it actually causes Canbet.com damage. Canbet.com reserves the right to retain all amounts due to the Affiliate under this Agreement if Canbet.com have reasonable cause to believe that such traffic has been caused with the Affiliate's knowledge. Even if the Affiliate has not knowingly generated such traffic, Canbet.com reserves the right to withhold Advertising Revenue with respect to such traffic.

Is what Dricher1983 says, ie, same ip, family, friends, incentives and so forth.

The way i see this is that the OP has a complaint, Schalk has informed the OP why the account was closed via email (republished by the OP) and so there is a stand off.

So this thread can then turn in to the usual bashfest with he says she says or the OP could ask the GAU to take his case on, i would suggest the latter course of action would probably be more productive.

**Dricher1983** · 14 October 2010, 4:36 pm

So i assume your on a what 25% rev share basis? If so your players generated around 22,000 Euros. You were not paid right? So u emailed them?

Correct!

And is this the only form of communication you have a reason for non payment? and closure of your account?

also correct!

I would like to know the reason your traffic was deemed to be in bad faith but you will need to ask the AM to post all your details with your permission.

Already done, but no answer so far..only this here in the forum!

OP were these players your family at all or anyone connected to your business or yourself?

No,only some kind of player i know that he plays with high sums, but not familar or anything else. So this is never in life fraud traffic! I mean, if they think it, ask the player for an ID or anything else, this shouldn't be the problem at all!

**GFPC** · 14 October 2010, 4:39 pm

I agree with Martin here. This is the reason the GAU exists and why I think Terry jumped in and asked about the term.

Without knowing what the traffic was it is hard to understand. But for the record its a benefit for us all to know what they deem traffic in bad faith and the reason why the OPs traffic was considered bad faith.

This way other affiliates know what to expect and how to act accordingly with this program

**thepokerkeep** · 14 October 2010, 4:40 pm

So you only have one depositing player generating the entire commission?

**CK - Schalk** · 14 October 2010, 6:42 pm

Drichter knows full well why this account is blocked. I suppose he / she also knows of some of the other affiliate accounts that were blocked.

There was one contributing player account on this affiliate account, which as it turns out, also had an affiliate account (let's call him affX), which was generating the same kind of revenue, funnily enough, also from mainly one contributing player account.

Drichter had a previous account with CK, which also only had one contributing player account (amazingly also an affiliate! - affY), but as soon as this player account was locked, the previous drichter account went inactive, and this bonushunting one emerged.

affY then opened another player account under yet another affiliate (affZ), which was also generating large amounts off mainly one player.

When I then got a tip off from a very reliable payment processor that all these affiliate accounts are linked (p2p transfers amongst them to "players" etc), I banned them all.

Keep in mind that this isn't casino players, but sports betting, so a player loss isn't a player loss, and you wear it because you get the cash. A sportsbook pays out on both sides of an event.

People keep asking "Why the quotas?", "Why this awful term?". This is exactly why. Supposed "affiliates" that are smart enough to cover all the terms, yet you absolutely know that you are getting screwed.

This also wasn't an isolated event. It was just the first time that I actually sat down and went though player accounts and looked for links to other affiliates. I also looked at whois data, linkedin profiles, and whatever info I could get my hands on. I have pages that look like spiderwebs for groups from Germany (this one), Italy, Bulgaria, Poland and even the UK. All gone now.

I'm happy to review any genuine affiliate that feels that they were slighted though, but I also now know why certain groups are so strict on which affiliates they accept. My approach in this sense has changed dramatically in the last 2 months, where I pretty much accepted any gambling related site / blog / forum / page, I'm a lot more critical now.

Smaller affiliates can thank drichter and her mates for that.

After that cleanup though, I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more complaints.

**Betpartners** · 14 October 2010, 6:52 pm

Ok Schalk so this was the old bet both sides via 2 affiliate accounts, lose maybe 5% on the margins on th bets but gain say 25% on the affiliate income.

Or am i reading it wrong

**CK - Schalk** · 14 October 2010, 7:07 pm

Let's just say my affiliate program is not a rebate program.

Most programs don't allow affiliates to play on their own accounts, but when you're 6 or 7 guys all playing under each other and then redistributing the aff revenue after the fact, it is exactly the same.

I don't consider that traffic generated in good faith.

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