Newbie alert! An initial quick query & hello

**MonkeyMan** · 6 January 2017, 5:37 am

Hey all,

Newbie here, based in Malta (below Italy).

I was curious, I want to teach people a method of making money from online betting. I'm likely to swerve affiliate links for this purpose as my revenue stream from teaching/subscription is the aim.

That said, I will require odds feeds from approx 20 UK bookmakers.

My question: Will said bookmakers be happy to provide a feed to a site/tool that is showing punters how to beat them?

Many thanks for any input you can provide. My method is sound, having been honed for a few years. Now I want to take the next step by sharing it. Once going, I hope to prove an asset to the forums!

**xecutable** · 6 January 2017, 6:48 am

Well, if you are going for an XML feed, you'd need a parser, most likely custom coded and that doesn't come cheap. There used to be services that did that for you where the split was 50/50 but a lot of them closed down.

To answer your question, NO they would not be happy IF you explain to them in detail what is it that you do (have no idea if it's something based on trading or something illegal/loophole). They probably WOULDN'T MIND, if you simply have an affiliate site, and you don't get much into details.

Here's my question. If you are beating the bookies, why run affiliate links? Your winning customers will always keep you in the negative. You are much better off with CPA deals if your methods are indeed legit and based on knowledge and not some sort of a scheme and/or scam artist.

**IGT Partners** · 6 January 2017, 6:59 am

Hi MonkeyMan, welcome in the forum.

Your post is interesting, many bookmakers provide their XML odds feed and they are aware about how many tools are available online in order to discover surebets (that I suppose it is "your" method as well).

**MonkeyMan** · 6 January 2017, 7:08 am

Hi X,

I won't be using affiliate links - the target revenue stream will be via subscription/teaching.

FYI - My method is neither trading nor illegal, I hope you can appreciate why I won't divulge more information on an open forum. It took me a long time and hundreds of hours to hone and perfect. It's also not for the lazy or those expecting instant wins.

For the moment, I just wan't know if it's possible to get UK bookmaker odds feeds if you actually plan to use them to bash those bookies. Perhaps if it's not, can you get them for the purpose of say a basic odds comparison site but use them for both purposes.

**xecutable** · 6 January 2017, 7:17 am

If it's nothing illegal, or scammy, then I highly doubt any book will refuse to give you what you are looking for.Some of them actually have them in their marketing tools, so you don't even need to approach them.

**Mattbar** · 6 January 2017, 7:33 am

As long as you are offering genuine betting and gambling tips/guides are not recommending punters to do anything that contravenes terms then I should imagine the bookies will bite your hand off if you want to send them "free" customers.

As xecutable says you should get a CPA deal at least, this would be win, win for you surely?

By the way Malta needs no introduction on here, half of online bookies are based there. In fact you could pop in and ask them face to face!

**DanHorvat** · 6 January 2017, 7:53 am

They won't give you the feed without an affiliate account, and an active one. Bet365 will only let you have their feed after you generate 5 paying customers total if I'm not mistaken.

Feeds differ from one another substantially so with each feed you start working on the parser pretty much from scratch. And each bookie deals with these things differently - while some will give you the feed right away, the others will ignore you and leave you short (e.g. you'll get 17 out of 20 feeds). Like that stubborn last screw that's stuck.

Betfair's feed is particularly technically challenging, it's not like the others.

And even when you finally parse all feeds, you ought to match different team names from different feeds, e.g. Man Utd, Manchester Utd, Manchester United. Multiply by the number of teams and by the number of leagues, and then maintain on a yearly basis with new teams that come out of nowhere, e.g. Lincoln City gets promoted to League Two and therefore appears among your teams for the first time.

Technically very challenging. But there are ways. Your best bet is to just buy an already aggregated feed from an external provider, otherwise you'll spend a year just parsing the feeds.

Bookies don't mind attempts at beating them. In fact they welcome such attempts

**MonkeyMan** · 6 January 2017, 8:13 am

Thank you all for your responses. I'm approaching this with an open-mind and in no way expect it to be quick or easy.

Originally Posted by DanHorvat

Technically very challenging. But there are ways. Your best bet is to just buy an already aggregated feed from an external provider, otherwise you'll spend a year just parsing the feeds.

Bookies don't mind attempts at beating them. In fact they welcome such attempts

Would there be somewhere on here/the WWW I could find such providers? In all of this, I don't want to encourage breaking of forum rules

Re: Bookies welcoming the challenge, I wish that were true. Sadly the reality is account closures (although addressing that will all be part of the training!)

Thanks again all - I know I'm asking vague questions, I'm a bit green to all of this.

**sparky1** · 6 January 2017, 11:23 am

Welcome to the forum Monkeyman! This is a great place for resources and information, you have come to the right place!

**olson1981** · 6 January 2017, 7:43 pm

Originally Posted by Mattbar

As long as you are offering genuine betting and gambling tips/guides are not recommending punters to do anything that contravenes terms then I should imagine the bookies will bite your hand off if you want to send them "free" customers.

As xecutable says you should get a CPA deal at least, this would be win, win for you surely?

By the way Malta needs no introduction on here, half of online bookies are based there. In fact you could pop in and ask them face to face!

A CPA deal will not last long if people keep winning, I've seen rev share deals for matched betting sites get shut down. Its hard to find a bookies that will accept such low value traffic which is why the majority of those sites are subscription based.

**junejok** · 17 January 2017, 1:47 pm

Hello to you too.

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