NetRefer Programs & Deposits

**theGman** · 16 January 2017, 8:10 am

I have recently signed up to a couple of programs using NetRefer. Call me old school but i think i remember that programs on NetRefer used to display deposits. It seems to me now that this has been removed from most NetRefer programs.

I find this to be very odd and another piece of transparency gone. I think this is a very bad move for programs to make. It feels as if they are trying to hide something .

If a program is a rev share program and are not displaying deposit information - then it appears to me that they are deliberately withholding relevant & pertinent information.

Am i the only person that thinks this? Why is there not an outcry re this trend?

Are there any NetRefer programs out there that do display deposits ? Perhaps i am simply not looking in the right report as well.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 16 January 2017, 8:28 am

I agree with you and go as far as to say that this could be the next pestilence.
If a program does not offer statistics for both events - deposits and withdrawals - then you have no chance to compute if a player vanished due to his unlucky playing or if he was simply removed from your account by the program what happened thousands of times in the past in this industry.

Leopold

**theGman** · 16 January 2017, 8:48 am

Hi Leopold

I just had a conversation with one of the programs - one with a good reputation who told me that this is just the way it is. No, it is not just the way it is. I checked and it appeared that Egass programs show deposits and i am positive that NetRefer programs did display this.

NetRefer has the ability to show this data and removal of it will indicate to me that the program is looking to hinder my marketing efforts. If that is the case, then i will take my business elsewhere. Its not like there is no shortage of crappy options - or indeed good ones.

Perhaps this is another thing to be added along with what admin fees are charged to Forum Sponsor listings. Yes, the length of cookies is important too and so is first click and last click model attribution. This though and the lack of transparency and the growing trend to withhold pertinent data is of similar importance.

To me it shows a growing disrespect to the vast majority of affiliate partners.

**allfreechips** · 16 January 2017, 8:56 am

Seems like a growing trend to hide the #1 stat from aff programs.. hard to see what going on when you do not see deposit values

**casaffiliate** · 16 January 2017, 9:39 am

Simple. No deposit data means that the program can't get top listings. I agree that hiding deposit data is an indicator that something else might be going on. NetRefer of course supports showing deposits. Two examples: Casumo shows deposits by default. Affiliate Cruise will activate deposit data but you have to ask your AM.

**DaftDog** · 16 January 2017, 9:54 am

This is my pet hate but unfortunately I am in a limited market and have to put up with this from some very shady Playtech brands too.

Maybe this should be something that the GPWA looked at when approving a program for listing. If programs don't show decent stats, including deposits and withdrawals, then they should not be listed.

**UTG** · 16 January 2017, 10:55 am

The affiliate program can easily turn on deposit statistics for individual affiliate accounts if they use NetRefer. A couple of brands have done that for me and I hope that another brand will do it as well. It is ridiculous that some brands doesn't understand why it is important for affiliates to see the deposit figures if they are on a revenue share plan.

**GCG** · 16 January 2017, 12:44 pm

Originally Posted by UTG

The affiliate program can easily turn on deposit statistics for individual affiliate accounts if they use NetRefer. A couple of brands have done that for me and I hope that another brand will do it as well. It is ridiculous that some brands doesn't understand why it is important for affiliates to see the deposit figures if they are on a revenue share plan.

When I signed up for a few netent programs and saw no deposit amounts in the financial reports I could not why this should be hidden information for the affiliate.

I guess most run a scam operation and do not want to be audited, can not explain otherwise.

Netrefer is JUNK

spend a few $$ on your own tracking / reporting system and I promise you have more business.

**wonderpunter** · 16 January 2017, 1:45 pm

Ask yourself this... what benefit is it to not show the affiliate the deposits he has brought in? that's right none.. just another way of pulling wool over your eyes to show how little of the pie you are getting

**theGman** · 16 January 2017, 2:38 pm

spend a few $$ on your own tracking / reporting system and I promise you have more business

just another way of pulling wool over your eyes to show how little of the pie you are getting

I absolutely agree - it is a not a good way to conduct business and to then tell me that is just the way it is, and then justify it as a decision made when the program opened - well it defies belief.

Any tips on the tracking & reporting system GCG will be gratefully received. I am in the process of removing this program - a pity - first day and one conversion which boded well for it, this particular issue though is not one that i am willing to compromise on.

**Scampi** · 16 January 2017, 3:33 pm

Campaign reports -> Customers -> Customer Reporting

Is it not there?

**TheGooner** · 16 January 2017, 6:05 pm

And Campaign Reports -> Product Figures too.

(at least at the programs I'm working with).

**theGman** · 16 January 2017, 6:58 pm

Originally Posted by TheGooner

And Campaign Reports -> Product Figures too.

(at least at the programs I'm working with).

It's not in either of those reports and we are talking about a long standing highly regarded program in one instance, the other program has picked up a bit of heat recently re not allowing marketing partners to earn on various products.

Combine that with a very discomforting call this afternoon - and its history for them until that is a normal aspect of their reporting. Can you imagine not reporting on deposits to a rev share affiliate? That's insanity. Who runs a program like that? Scam Artists?
Seem to be a few of those online these days.

The excuse is "that's the way it was set up" - it takes 2 seconds to change, or "company policy"? WTF is that - it's like a red flag that tells me please avoid.

**TheGooner** · 16 January 2017, 8:30 pm

Originally Posted by theGman

It's not in either of those reports and we are talking about a long standing highly regarded program in one instance, the other program has picked up a bit of heat recently re not allowing marketing partners to earn on various products.

Sorry Gman - I checked my data at PaddyPower and saw it and thought it was Netrefer standard.
They show deposit info in most of their reports.

Why are you giving these programs the benefit of anonymity?
Name and shame ...

**eenzoo** · 17 January 2017, 2:30 am

If you calculate (deposit - wins) = gross revenue - bonus = net rev - 45% (admin fees, licenses, royalties or banking fees) - applicable taxes *??% = Commission
And if you get $62 commission from a $500 deposit you better hide the deposit row ...

**theGman** · 17 January 2017, 3:01 am

Originally Posted by eenzoo

If you calculate (deposit - wins) = gross revenue - bonus = net rev - 45% (admin fees, licenses, royalties or banking fees) - applicable taxes *??% = Commission
And you get $62 commission from a $500 deposit you better hide the deposit row ...

Yes you are right re that - many programs are using that methodology, another reason to distrust programs that are not providing deposit information. To say that this is simply down to a decision made when the program started and that is the way it is is ingenious, to say the least.

Gooner - I am pointing out to them the content of this thread and will ask them to review their decision to not display this data. Not only for myself - but for all partners.

The thing is though, I just started sending traffic to them and they are likely to ignore my request. If that is the case, i will name them. I do want to though provide them with the opportunity to rectify their reporting.

**affy** · 17 January 2017, 3:00 pm

Originally Posted by theGman

...
Gooner - I am pointing out to them the content of this thread and will ask them to review their decision to not display this data. Not only for myself - but for all partners...

So if they "release" data for you how will other affiliates find out? Maybe it will be only for you?

**RacingJim** · 17 January 2017, 4:13 pm

The programs that hide this info funnily enough correlate with the programs that I make very little money at, even with high signup amounts. A real puzzle huh!?!

I'm talking about:
Paddy Power
Stan James
Ladbrokes (make a bit more but still less than I should and they do hide that info)
888
Aff Utd (can't find it anyway but I don't even bother with these nowadays)

Basically all the dodgy ones are doing it AND they're doing it for a good reason aren't they. Also note 3 Israeli 'wolf of wall street' programs as I call them in that list.

**theGman** · 18 January 2017, 3:57 am

So if they "release" data for you how will other affiliates find out? Maybe it will be only for you?

I will let it be known on this thread and we can all check that it is available. I am guessing that is one way. I am not having much luck at the moment. One of the brands has come back to me and stated they will show deposits for CPA & Hybrid Affiliates but not Rev Share Affiliates and they stand by that. I find that very odd

I don't think 888 are on NetRefer RJ - but certainly, if they don't show deposits then they should be included in this list. I will be updating this thread in due course with those NetRefer programs that i have spoken to that don't display deposits. I am awaiting a few more conversations. This is intolerable and affiliates should avoid these programs at all costs in my opinion.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 18 January 2017, 4:26 am

Originally Posted by theGman

I just had a conversation with one of the programs - one with a good reputation who told me that this is just the way it is.

If this is the answer you received, then the good reputation is only a Fata Morgana.
Only a bozo would make such statement that can be debunked within minutes - as you did.

In the last years this industry became to a bubble.
1,000+ affiliate programs are simply too much.
There are not enough players to feed them all.
So many of them are cheating, the whole day, #1 daily order in the office, others are paying some self-appointed ratings portals huge money for listings.
I have seen the details.
To have at least a position, one position to make money as a program.
Otherwise no one ever would take notice of them.
What would not be a big mistake.
However, you can be sure that such corrupt garbage portals like Gaffg or Askgamblers will dominate the basic rules and they don't give 1 Cent for any transparence or honesty.

If someone refuses you to open the toilet lid that you can take a look inside the bowl then there is something unappetizing to hide. No deposits stats means, that they can (and they do) remove your big players into an internal ghost account where they remain as long as they are broke. Then you will get the decomposed body back into your account but have no knowledge what happened during his absence, that he lost in the last weeks more than $50,000. This is the real scenario if a bozo tells you, that "this is just the way it is".

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