Microgaming talks about Tusk Gaming, Eurolinx, and Grand Prive on Hidden Camera

**Betpartners** · 17 February 2010, 1:11 pm

Hardly the greatest expose i have ever seen and i take sympathy with both Caruso and TheGooners opinions but from a different perspective.

If this was pseudo-guerrilla tactics then god help all of us, this was nothing more than pissing in the wind and you chaps have something to learn about becoming really effective.

Door stepping a lowly employee at a conference i am sorry to say achieves nothing and opens you up to accusations of it being nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Want to go down this road of so called guerrilla tactics then go after the shareholders, stick a camera in their faces as they get out of their cars, door step the top people, you really want to do this? then do it, don't arse around with low level employees that cannot in this lifetime or the next make one ounce of difference.

Want to be effective then go after the decision makers, go after the ones that are not easy targets, go after the ones that really matter and stick their faces on youtube.

Go after the millionaires, after those on 6 figure pay cheques and not those that earn far less who risk their jobs if they step out of the company line.

I am sorry to go against the grain here but was not impressed with the video, the concept yes, the execution no.

Hopefully next time we see something like this it will be the face of the owners, chairmen, CEO's etc running down the street with J Todd chasing after him screaming questions and not as some sort of woolly hatted nutter spooking a working class stiff that easy prey.

**APCW** · 17 February 2010, 4:33 pm

There has been a lot of discussion about who this person was. For the record, she was not a mid level manager who happened to be at the booth, she is a high level marketing official for Microgaming. She was the person Microgaming representatives at the booth told us could answer our questions. And on her LinkedIn profile she identifies herself as the head of marketing at Microgaming.

**gamblingbutler** · 17 February 2010, 4:47 pm

We are not owed money by Grand Prive, have never worked with them but I follow this for a long time since it is pretty scary and ridiculous at the same time.

As for the subject at hand, I don't know if this was the greatest "stunt" ever pulled...

But if there is someone out there who is really DOING something to get the word out and get heard, it is J. Todd - I find that pretty great and I don't really understand the criticism that much. Could it have been better executed? Maybe, but I haven't seen anyone execute it better yet, strangely enough.

So, I am thinking: good effort!

**tryme** · 17 February 2010, 5:10 pm

Regardless of whether this lady was a 'lowly employee' or a 'marketing manager', I think she handled herself admirably.

I do understand what J Todd was trying to do, but I think it failed. In part, it failed because of the Estonia-via-Bremerton accent which did no favours for communicating a point of view or having a serious discussion.

Imagine if you were this lady and some strange guy doorstepped you with an accent that changed from North West USA to somewhere in the Baltics within a single sentence. Would you not just tow the party line and hope the strange man went away.

This all could have been done so much better. If J Todd thought he'd be recognised and therefore ignored, wouldn't it have been effective if someone else had done the piece. And I agree with the posters that have pointed out 'where's the context...what role does this lady have at Microgaming'.

An opportunity missed, I'm afraid.

**Caruso** · 19 February 2010, 9:23 am

Originally Posted by tryme

And I agree with the posters that have pointed out 'where's the context...what role does this lady have at Microgaming'.

She's the Microgaming employee Mcrogaming offered to respond to the questions.

It's an absurd criticism, sorry.

I was looking at another thread, elsewhere, in regard to apparent allegations of copyright infringement of Microgaming slots. In it, one well-regarded affiliate mentioned being set to "talk to the Microgaming and RTG CEOs at the London conference".

Right. So:

Microgaming, at the very highest level, is quite happy to talk to people, as long as it's about (***insert here your own suggestions about what lucrative affiliate site owners might want to be talking to Microgaming about***).

But when the APCW tries to talk to Microgaming about relevant issues of malpractice...well hey, now it's only the back office pen pusher who's available.

You really are very short-sighted.

If and when the US gambling fascists finally get their acts together and move from -

click the mouse, lose the house

to -

Hang on a sec, Barney, so you want our country infiltrated with software companies with a track record of leaving their players high and dry for multi-million dollar sums. That's what you want us to vote for and sell to our constituents, right?

...the APCW will able to say:

We, as employees of the top affiliate associations in the business, can assure you, and provide evidence for the fact, that we share these concerns to a 't' and are, in fact, way ahead of you. We're on this. Look at what we're doing. It ain't always pretty, but we're on it...

Don't get me wrong, I considered Todd a vulgar cretin for the abuse he piled on me after I raised this issue in the "Can't lift a finger" thread. But what he is doing here is creditable and right. It may not be best in the short term profit interests of all factions of the industry, but it is the right way to go, and bizarre at it may seem in the light of our spat, I fully support him. I hope he doesn't end up having to bow to pressure and ease up on this. It would be a tragedy.

It's not Todd's fault Microgaming don't want to talk to him. If I was Microgaming, I wouldn't.

**nitro** · 19 February 2010, 10:55 am

Originally Posted by Caruso

It may not be best in the short term profit interests of all factions of the industry, but it is the right way to go...

The right way to go would be that a software provider should be able to shut down a casino if it is turning rogue(and the payment processors stop processing deposits if possible) because the control function is the main responsibility of the licensing authorities.

**nitro** · 19 February 2010, 11:34 am

Hang on a sec, Barney, so you want our country infiltrated with software companies with a track record of leaving their players high and dry for multi-million dollar sums. That's what you want us to vote for and sell to our constituents, right?

You're naive on this one yokspot because this sort of argumentation will be used only to justify a crackdown on the "illegal" offshore companies which threaten the B&M establishments or state monopolies once everything is "legalized" (read: monopolized) and for nothing else.

**Betpartners** · 19 February 2010, 12:45 pm

It was far from an abusrb criticism by Tryme and i fact was very accurate.

The idea that someone was offered up at a "stand" as some sort of sage from omaha of microgaming that is able to answer all J Todd's question and put all the worlds wrongs right is what is absurd.

I saw many many stands at the actual affiliate question that lacked the real bosses, the real decision makers and even Michael in relation to affiliate Lounge pulled out of putting them on the spot because it became clear that the person he was speaking with just did not have the capacity to make a difference.

The same clearly happened here in this microgaming situation.

Anyone looking at that video BEFORE publication should have seen that and if Michael Corfman is not prepared to chat to someone at Affiliate Lounge because they dont have the authority to make changes (and Michael was right btw not to continue the chat) then surely the very same should have applied to this.

After all the APCW is a GPWA vehicle.

Double standards at play and it does not stop there.

Bryan Bailey said on Casinomesieter that he will be speaking with the CEO's of MG when in London, now Bailey is an asscoiate as such of Michael Corfman, Bailey has appeared as a senior advocate in a recent video of the APCW in sticking it to Grand Prive, the special video done about 2 weeks or so ago.

Point is that with those sort of connections, Micheal could not get a sit down with the CEO of MG through Bailey? really?

What use is CM to affilaites and to the GPWA as associates if Bailey cannot use his influence to set up a meeting for the GPWA with MG, yes i know CM is player only, but was it not the idea that CM, GPWA, AGD, APCW were all working together to have a pop at Grand Prive, seems this only goes so far.

Now then lets look at that again shall we, we have Bailey saying he will meet the CEO of MG in London when J Todd is in the same city at the same time attending the same event.

Am i the only one seeing this?

But even if Bailey cannot use his influence with MG to set up a meet at the proper high level with the GPWA the fact was that the CEO was there.

So the CEO is there and its a marketing girl that is the subject of this video?

Seriously?

Like i said, want to make a video that means something then do not pick on someone that was offered up at a stand that clearly knew jack **** and go after the millionaire CEO's that were there and that apparantly were meeting "industry associates" of the APCW.

It really is not that hard, in fact gimme a few grand and i will interview the guy on his bloody toilet, you know his name after all, it is so damn easy to go and stick a video in the top guys face.

But then it was far easier to do it to an employee that in relation to the CEO and decision makers was indeed lowly.

Also for the record unlike Caruso i dont find J Todd a cretin, he does excellent work on the whole and deserves more respect for it, but that does not mean that he gets it right every time and on this occasion imo he got it wrong.

And finally i do agree with Caruso that J Todd should in no way bow to the pressure in regards to this tactic, in fact i think he should step this tactic up a notch but only by going after the right person.

By not going after the right person, what is actually achieved?

Now if we are talking about really doing guerilla tactics, tactics that will work then i am all ears, in fact i would bloody participate in some form, i love that sort of ****.

**Caruso** · 19 February 2010, 1:24 pm

Originally Posted by Betpartners

Bryan Bailey said on Casinomesieter that he will be speaking with the CEO's of MG when in London, now Bailey is an asscoiate as such of Michael Corfman, Bailey has appeared as a senior advocate in a recent video of the APCW in sticking it to Grand Prive, the special video done about 2 weeks or so ago.

Point is that with those sort of connections, Micheal could not get a sit down with the CEO of MG through Bailey? really?

What use is CM to affilaites and to the GPWA as associates if Bailey cannot use his influence to set up a meeting for the GPWA with MG, yes i know CM is player only, but was it not the idea that CM, GPWA, AGD, APCW were all working together to have a pop at Grand Prive, seems this only goes so far.

Now then lets look at that again shall we, we have Bailey saying he will meet the CEO of MG in London when J Todd is in the same city at the same time attending the same event.

Am i the only one seeing this?

That is exactly what I was saying, with different focus.

Also for the record unlike Caruso i dont find J Todd a cretin, he does excellent work on the whole and deserves more respect for it, but that does not mean that he gets it right every time and on this occasion imo he got it wrong.

Please don't falsely attribute such generalisations to me.

**Betpartners** · 19 February 2010, 1:32 pm

Originally Posted by Caruso

Don't get me wrong, I considered Todd a vulgar cretin for the abuse he piled on me after I raised this issue in the "Can't lift a finger" thread. But what he is doing here is creditable and right. It may not be best in the short term profit interests of all factions of the industry, but it is the right way to go, and bizarre at it may seem in the light of our spat, I fully support him. I hope he doesn't end up having to bow to pressure and ease up on this. It would be a tragedy.

It's not Todd's fault Microgaming don't want to talk to him. If I was Microgaming, I wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Caruso

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Please don't falsely attribute such generalisations to me.

My apologises Caruso, i thought you did call J Todd a Cretin, i see where i went wrong though, i should ahve said what you said which was Vulgar Cretin

My apologises dear chap

But at least we both agree he is doing credible work, just that we disagree on occasions on some of the work

**Caruso** · 19 February 2010, 4:21 pm

Originally Posted by Betpartners

My apologises Caruso, i thought you did call J Todd a Cretin, i see where i went wrong though, i should ahve said what you said which was Vulgar Cretin

I wasn't speaking generally, I was referring to a specific occurance - which you emboldened but missed the point of.

"You're an idiot" is not the same as "You're an idiot for bumping into that lamppost".

The one is a generalisation, the other is specific to one occasion.

I said I thought Todd behaved like a cretin on that previous occasion. I did not say I thought Todd was a cretin in general. There is obviously a very big difference.

I hope that's clear now.

**pgaming** · 19 February 2010, 4:27 pm

Now if we are talking about really doing guerilla tactics, tactics that will work then i am all ears, in fact i would bloody participate in some form, i love that sort of ****.

Maybe a tad unusual but we have tried and tried reason and sometimes when it comes to theft reason goes out the window.

Betpartners this is the best sentence I had the pleasure of reading this year. If the other party can resort to hide and seek tactics we must adapt and behave like the Navy Seals on a mission.

I love it bring it on I say.

Jtodd does not just talk about it he acts does something which is better than nothing IMO.

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