Livescores Site

**LinuxGam** · 27 July 2023, 2:45 pm

Hi,

We have a relatively new football Livescores site that is focused mainly on the lack of speed (page size, but also JS CPU time) to the mobile market given by the big players.

https://livescoresx.com/

That said, we believe we can compete with them on a basis of modern push technology, low page sizes and also we have and plan to have more really useful tools for assessing betting opportunities.

We have recently made our live match update 'score board' available to websites that might benefit from this.

You can see an example here: https://tipstercompetition.com/

If you would like to add it to your news or football site, then look here:

https://livescoresx.com/livescore-scripts

If you have any feedback on the site or the plugins, or even a request for what you would feel is useful as a plugin for your site.. let us know!

**betprotips** · 29 July 2023, 2:52 am

Looks pretty cool.

**onlinebetdotcom** · 29 July 2023, 10:02 am

I thought this was Livescore group. That is trade marked

**LinuxGam** · 29 July 2023, 10:29 am

When you pick an English dictionary word(s), you can’t trademark other versions of it? If you copy their brand/logo/colours then of course you could be accused of copying them?Believe me, I want to do everything I can not to copy their huge bloated sites?

If I trademark freebets? Then I could wipe out 90% of affiliate sites? it just doesn’t work like that?

**LinuxGam** · 29 July 2023, 10:37 am

If you check the market there are many sites that rank in google for 10+ years with the word livescore in their domain….

When you pick an english descriptive word for your business then you have to put up with that….

If they were called asddwedwedweedwed.com and i also branded as that, then i could see their point..

**LinuxGam** · 29 July 2023, 10:46 am

I just did a quick search and there are numerous articles that say English words that describe what your product does would not be subjected to trademark laws….. It’s only when it’s clearly a brand name they invented and would not be used to describe another product that they would stand a hope in hell…

Also I am clearly trying to brand the whole site around the ‘X’ not the livescores trademark… check the logo… Or maybe I shouldn’t do that as some big porn site must have an X in it somewhere….

**TheGooner** · 29 July 2023, 7:34 pm

I think it's a good site ..
My thoughts :

BRANDING :
I agree with you about the phrase "live score" and variations being impossible on trademark and defend.
I have a live score page on my site with a sourced solution and I have no issue calling my page live score.

I do wonder about trying to brand on the letter "x" though - given the madness that is Elon Musk and his x-fetish and Twitter rebrand.
I'm not saying he's right - but he's quick to litigate - and seems to think that his X company and all X's are his property.
Probably not a real issue - but you never know ..

PROS :
I'm impressed with the scope of leagues.
I was quick enough to load.

CONS :
It's pretty bland.
Having to search down and click to expand results that you are interested in seems a weak UI.

FREE BOARD :
I like the idea of the "free" live action board - and might consider using it on some of my league / pick index pages ...
But I hate the font (would prefer black text on light background) - and would prefer to customise it to just one league

HOW WELL DOES IT WORK :
I have questions / thoughts about the site fundamentals.

1/ How / where do you source info to update all these league action in real time?
2/ Are games ALL real time?
3/ And how fast in update time compared to big boys like LiveScore and FlashScore or Tribe etc?

IF you are scraping all this info from other sites - then that might cause issues as you grow unless you've licensed the use of their data.

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But overall I think you've done a great job. If I could build / license something like this for major leagues then I would.

It's a function that has appeal to a lot of viewers - although monetising live score traffic is always very hard - they've already placed a bet.

Good luck !!

**LinuxGam** · 30 July 2023, 2:46 am

Hi Gooner,

I really appreciate the time you have taken for your detailed and well thought out feedback.

I'll try and answer each of your questions and of course take on your advice.

Originally Posted by TheGooner

I think it's a good site ..
My thoughts :

BRANDING :
I agree with you about the phrase "live score" and variations being impossible on trademark and defend.
I have a live score page on my site with a sourced solution and I have no issue calling my page live score.

I do wonder about trying to brand on the letter "x" though - given the madness that is Elon Musk and his x-fetish and Twitter rebrand.
I'm not saying he's right - but he's quick to litigate - and seems to think that his X company and all X's are his property.
Probably not a real issue - but you never know ..

To be honest i'ts branded as a Livesscores site, I was trying to prove a point I wasn't trying to imitate Livescores TM and went out my way to make the X a differentiating factor.

PROS :
I'm impressed with the scope of leagues.
I was quick enough to load.

Thanks, it's really quite hard to do with that amount of information and not because of the data size alone... because of the pain browsers have, particularly with mobiles to render all that and not die...

CONS :
It's pretty bland.
Having to search down and click to expand results that you are interested in seems a weak UI.

I agree it is quite bland, but it is also a utility site... rather than a sale pages.. I personally don't like things to over the top when I'm using a site for info.

Some pages are a bit prettier

https://livescoresx.com/football/dropping-odds/4

https://livescoresx.com/football/mat...427/goal-stats

Only last week everything was open and showing, but I had two choices... show everything on loads and even on an Iphone 14 pro it would have fun rendering it.. Or do what i was doing and load stuff in using infinite scrolling, but it turns out Google and Bing are not as smart as I thought. The search at the top will quickly find games with no AJAX calls. Even on slow mobiles it is close to instant.

FREE BOARD :
I like the idea of the "free" live action board - and might consider using it on some of my league / pick index pages ...
But I hate the font (would prefer black text on light background) - and would prefer to customise it to just one league

I had a feeling the font would be a love/hate thing. I think the biggest issue is it quite hard to see.. even if you like it... I wrestled with the idea of keeping the CSS locked in the shadow DOM so people couldn't change it or giving it longer CSS names that wouldn't clash with other peoples sites CSS and allow them to override them. I decided on the latter so people who have the CSS skills can change the font/colours/sizing and branding.

If you want a hand branding it for your site, more than happy to help as will obv help get my site out there.

I also can fairly easily add a filter to get it locked down to leagues you want as well.

HOW WELL DOES IT WORK :
I have questions / thoughts about the site fundamentals.

1/ How / where do you source info to update all these league action in real time?

I pay a not insignificant amount of money for a legal/licenced API feed... I have been with them over 4 years, so feel quite secure they are not going bust.

2/ Are games ALL real time?

Almost all are yes... There are leagues I've never heard off that are live... As it prob has like league 4 in Kenya (made up example) I can't be sure every league is, but I've never looked for a game that wasn't.

3/ And how fast in update time compared to big boys like LiveScore and FlashScore or Tribe etc?

As fast.... Certainly all the games you would watch on TV you will see the goals way before you see it on TV and if you are watching via streaming can be as long as 3 mins before! 90% of Livescore site (most are old) have a timer that probes an API to check for new information... this is a waste of server and mobile resources... and adds a certain delay. This uses a a modern websockets push technology.. As soon as the the server gets the results.. the client does.

The API feed company are also now just trialing push technology their side.. so things will get even faster in the future.

IF you are scraping all this info from other sites - then that might cause issues as you grow unless you've licensed the use of their data.

It's licensed and supported.

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But overall I think you've done a great job. If I could build / license something like this for major leagues then I would.

Let me know what you are interested in... As I'm pretty sure the way things are going, providing free widgets, plugins etc for free or a "premium" type model could be beneficial to all.

My other established site https://tipstercompetition.com uses V2 of the company's feed and I am literally re-writing that from the ground up now (huge job) to share the same data and api I have written for LivescoresX. Part of this is likely to be tipster proofing/tips section with the ability to embed your tips/reviews in your own site, with lives updates, auto settling, auto odds etc... So for people like yourself who have football reviews, it could take a lot of hassle out of it and give your customers far more info... auto form, results, live stats and updates... Let me know your thoughts.

It's a function that has appeal to a lot of viewers - although monetising live score traffic is always very hard - they've already placed a bet.

I already have a company I have used before waiting with a large down payment to do PPM when I am ready. The way i see it you either go targetted traffic with bookie reviews etc and get smaller traffic but much higher reward or you create a high traffic generic site and get paid for traffic up front. The latter is my plan for this.

Thanks again for your feedback its been great to read and think about.

Please let me know if I can work on something for your site and get something that helps us both.

Good luck !!

**LinuxGam** · 30 July 2023, 3:06 am

I also forgot to add, that if you go to the LIVE tab all games are always open and running as that page will never be as full as the 24 hour page.

I did consider making the LIVE page the home page... As it looks nicer open and it is a "Live Scores" site

https://livescoresx.com/football/live

**LinuxGam** · 30 July 2023, 5:12 am

I’ve just looked at the home page and you are right, it’s way too grey and I just noticed it even matches the screen background colour which is never good… I’ll speak to one of my friends with more design flare for some advice on colours. It was a lot bolder, but when i went to the leagues closed it made my eyes bleed

I guess ive gone way too far back the other way now

Thanks again for the useful feedback.

**LinuxGam** · 30 July 2023, 5:14 am

“FREE BOARD :
I like the idea of the "free" live action board - and might consider using it on some of my league / pick index pages ...
But I hate the font (would prefer black text on light background) - and would prefer to customise it to just one league”If I added a property on the HTML tag where you can add a list the league ID’s you want to display.

That way you could load the pretty small script in your template once and then add the HTML snippet to each page you wanted the update board, but locked down to the country or leagues people were interested in in that section?

I could prob get that updated for you first thing Monday. I can also send you a sample CSS file of the current styles so you can easily edit it to your own liking. Font/colours etc. Then as long as you add that CSS last or use !important it will override the styles.

**LinuxGam** · 30 July 2023, 5:24 am

Originally Posted by betprotips

Looks pretty cool.

Thanks!

**LinuxGam** · 3 August 2023, 6:34 am

Hi All,

Quick update.

Based on your feedback, we have now added a second built in theme, that is a bit more plain and possibly easier to integrate with a lot of sites. All themes can still be changed/overridden with your own CSS.

We have also added the ability to filter down to only certain leagues or countries. This can be done in multiple places across your site, so it can be relevant to each section of your site with only one script link across the site.

Please find the updated docs here:

https://livescoresx.com/livescore-scripts

We would love further feedback and appreciate your time and effort.

Thanks

**TheGooner** · 3 August 2023, 7:15 am

Originally Posted by LinuxGam

We would love further feedback and appreciate your time and effort.

That's a great effort.
I will give it a go on my live score page - and also trial a filter on my Bundesliga page and give you feedback as it goes.

https://www.goonersguide.com/livescore.htm

**LinuxGam** · 3 August 2023, 7:28 am

Thanks @TheGooner, that's really helpful.

It almost looks custom themed for your live score page.

**dannyx** · 5 August 2023, 2:14 pm

The site on the desktop looks like it's from the 90s, in my opinion you should work on making the site look more modern

**LinuxGam** · 6 August 2023, 10:44 am

Hi All,

Next script / plugin is finished (might/will be more features in future), I'm pretty sure I'm going to need feed back of how it works on different sites as it's impossible for me to know everyone's CSS and templates and what might happen.

The good news, if you have a fairly plain site with the CSS mostly at a high level it will likely look as in the live demo's. Then it's up to you if you want to add extra CSS style and formatting.

If you use lot of a lot of lower level classes then the styles will likely creep into your wrapped content. Which is possibly a good thing as it will match your site, or might just look weird and you need override them.

I have given some examples in the docs of how you can override the styles without changing your HTML markup if required.

https://livescoresx.com/livescore-scripts/fixture-data

All feedback welcome

I appreciate your time and hope some of you find a use for it on your sites.

**LinuxGam** · 10 August 2023, 3:29 pm

Originally Posted by dannyx

The site on the desktop looks like it's from the 90s, in my opinion you should work on making the site look more modern

Hi Danny,

I've thought a lot about your comment the last few days/weeks and you are right. It's not quite 1990's, maybe a little harsh, but for what we are trying to portray it's not great. It's fast and functional , but every time I look back now with this in my mind it looks more like you said.

The way navigation works is also a limiting factor to anything growing from a content angle and expansion.

Thanks again, when a new test site is ready will let people know for feed back

LG

**kwwriting** · 20 August 2023, 5:32 pm

Nah, at least early 2000s. Just kidding. All in all, it's got the basics down and now it's just all about tweaking it here and there.

**Solomedia** · 12 December 2023, 12:31 pm

Focus on the tennis market

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