Fraud ring, warning to operators and networks

**JujiClick** · 31 August 2015, 11:55 am

Hi guys,

I represent JujiClick, and I am posting here in order to warn other networks as well as operators of 2 affiliates who sent to some of the offers on JujiClick who are committing fraud.

These 2 affiliates had sent to a few offers within our network, only to have the casinos call us and explain that all the players that were sent were fraudulent as well as being part of a casino fraud ring.

We believe the casinos that were being pushed, as we have very close relationships with them.
The first affiliate came under the name James, company name: Real Money Players LP

Real Money Players LP sent 20 Signups having 13 FTD’s (65% conversion rate). We received a message from the casino to pause the traffic as the player behaviour was not normal and was suspicious. We asked James to pause the campaign which he did. A short while later, the casino contacted us and mentioned that all players were part of a fraud ring.

The 2^nd affiliate came under the name Viesturs with the company name: Vittoria Pallada LTD
What is interesting is when you google Vittoria Pallada LTD you get to the site realmoneyplayers com (site domain is the same as affiliate #1?company name)

He started to send to the casino (same group as the above) the casino contacted us saying that the 1^st affiliate had started again, and they can see it is the same behaviour. We immediately asked the 2^nd affiliate to stop and what do you know, a short while later the casino calls us telling us that it is a fraud ring again. All players deposited once, the minimum deposit, did not speak to support and no actual play occurred on the accounts themselves.

At the same moment, the 2^nd affiliate was sending to another unrelated casino group we offer within JujiClick. They contacted us and mentioned to pause as the traffic looks suspicious. Next day ALL of the players were flagged fraud, reason being: part of a fraud ring. Once again all players deposited once, the minimum deposit, did not speak to support and no actual play occurred on the accounts themselves.

Now after investigation we checked the IP James had come in and the IP that Vittoria had come in, James had come in from Riga, Latvia, while Vittoria had come in from the UK. We spoke t the affiliate manager about this and they had told us that possibly it was form the UK, but then they mentioned that the affiliate #2 (Vittoria) stated he was living in Riga Latvia.

The reason we are writing this post is to warn programs of these fraudsters as well as because one of the threats given by James is that if we do not pay them, they will smear our name all over the forums.

We are a young affiliate network, with many happy and content affiliates within our network but we will not stand idle when threatened especially when fraud has been committed against us.

We have suspended the affiliates accounts and have kicked them out of JujiClick.

Hope this bad experience does not happen to other networks out there.

Regards,

JujiClick

**wonderpunter** · 31 August 2015, 1:05 pm

I looked at your website.. it's real vague I have no idea what you do, who you are or where you are based... just pictures of palm trees.. city skylines and not much else..

Hang on I just checked Realmoneyplayers .com--- he's selling packages of depositng players? lol.. his website looks as bad as yours content wise.. I just went for the 60 RMP package and got a 3 field contact form... both of your sites look questionable.. perhaps mods want to remove references to the websites here?

**TheGooner** · 31 August 2015, 2:19 pm

Laugh when I hear a company name called "Real Money Players".
Exact keyword sites are very rarely good quality - Exact KeyWord Companies are also usually dodgy.

The fact that they have to state that they are in the business of REAL money players suggests :
1/ They are aware that it's possible to send "not real" players to a client.
2/ In the past they've probably done so.
3/ But THESE players will definitely be real - honest Guv!

Would you buy a vehicle from "Honest Sams Really Good Used Car" lot either?

**wonderpunter** · 31 August 2015, 2:31 pm

Originally Posted by TheGooner

Laugh when I hear a company name called "Real Money Players".
Exact keyword sites are very rarely good quality - Exact KeyWord Companies are also usually dodgy.

The fact that they have to state that they are in the business of REAL money players suggests :
1/ They are aware that it's possible to send "not real" players to a client.
2/ In the past they've probably done so.
3/ But THESE players will definitely be real - honest Guv!

Would you buy a vehicle from "Honest Sams Really Good Used Car" lot either?

Why not ? look at this h1 tag "

0

0% risk - up to 60 days money back guarantee!"

% risk - up to 60 days money back guarantee!

**universal4** · 31 August 2015, 5:40 pm

Would you buy a vehicle from "Honest Sams Really Good Used Car" lot either?

Only when the sales rep is wearing a leisure suit and platform shoes from the seventies, but he better have a mullet hair cut and promise me the best deal of all car lots in a 20 mile radius....

It seems to me that the CPA deals seem to draw more fraud types than revshare ever would or could. These kinds of situations also seem to shed a bad light on third party programs and continues to show why revshare and dealing direct is preferred by most affiliates.

Rick
Universal4

**Renee** · 31 August 2015, 7:05 pm

I wouldn't normally post in a thread like this but after dealing with a few networks who are not willing to share information about the fraudulent affs, I have to say thanks to the OP for actually going out of his way to post this info.

I suppose there might be other things at play here that others have mentioned, but it helps us affiliate managers to see stuff like this. Thanks.

**Miles_FTA** · 1 September 2015, 3:11 am

Thanks for the Warning its always good to know about these sorts of guys .. been burnt one too many times.

Rick you are 100% correct this is why we as programs also prefer revshare affiliates to CPA.

CPA can be risky as you open yourself up to a lot of Issues that rev share options doesn't like Fraud Groups, Incentives Traffic , Min deposits abuse etc .

For me Rev Share always .

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