Electrum wallet cleaned out

**allfreechips** · 5 October 2023, 5:45 pm

I hbave an old electrum wallet that receives a few payment a month, after a larger one today it was cleaned out. Very odd as ive had for quite some time. Most btc is on ledger but this still hurts pretty good.

**content** · 5 October 2023, 7:29 pm

Being electrum and thus the keys being only on your computer, I'd honestly switch computers entirely as that means your computer itself was compromised. If you're currently on windows I'd consider a mac since less prone to vulnerabilities.

**allfreechips** · 5 October 2023, 8:41 pm

yeah moving ledger to mac and never looking back

**Sherlock** · 6 October 2023, 5:57 am

Originally Posted by allfreechips

Very odd as ive had for quite some time.

It is not odd. That is the reason. If you do not know how to secure the wallet, it is better if you do not touch them at all. Including ledger.

yeah moving ledger to mac and never looking back

You should look back and see, where you did the mistakes. Playing with crypto without basic knowledge means that you will lose it with certainty as time goes. For example you can not move ledger to mac. In fact it is ven not correct to say that you move BTC to ledger. Understanding why this is not just a playing with words is what will protect you money in future.

You just lost money, because you did not do your homework. And you still did not do it.

**allfreechips** · 6 October 2023, 8:42 am

I have my crypto on a nano, that's not connected to the pc, but I did when I setup. I used the electrum to transact between casinos and this wallet mainly. So you say I can not use my nano on a MAC?

**Malikbhai** · 7 October 2023, 8:33 am

Remove Electrum for a second. It's not even possible to hack Windows, unless one is specifically being targeted.

Most of these hacks happen because

1. You have installed a program that was emailed to you or Whatsapped to you.

2. The person knows that you have crypto money.

3. In 99.99% of the cases the person hacking is known to the victim.

Despite all the stuff around hacking, in majority of the cases it's not a random event.

**Malikbhai** · 7 October 2023, 8:35 am

Also weak passwords with no 2FA, in case the hacker is using a sophisticated software.

Then again it still comes down to your attacker knowing who you are and the money you have.

**allfreechips** · 7 October 2023, 8:46 am

Yeah I had 2 diff aff managers send me attachments that were reports ext.. one i tried to open and nothing happend then i had a virus, and of course i get the dont open that i was hacked 3 days later,, few more times with attachments but i no longer open any. Still not sure the uissue with ledger on a mac though lol

**Sherlock** · 8 October 2023, 9:35 am

Originally Posted by allfreechips

I have my crypto on a nano, that's not connected to the pc, but I did when I setup. I used the electrum to transact between casinos and this wallet mainly. So you say I can not use my nano on a MAC?

I am saying that from your wording, you do not know how it all works. You should have done it before. This is why you lost the coins. You should learn by now. There is no safe solution how to store btc. Anyone saying hat there is some magic solution for crypto, either lies or does not understand it as you. This is not meant as offense.

I have my crypto on a nano,

In fact, you do not have crypto ON nano and you musst figure out first where he crypto "is"

that's not connected to the pc, but I did when I setup.

This part should be fine. HW wallets are meant to access coins on compromised computers. Sadly no one knows what other insecure things you did, especially with seed.

So you say I can not use my nano on a MAC?

I have no idea. You can use anything anywhere. If he money that belong to the seed that you command with nano will be stolen, it will not be because you connect your nano to any device. It will be because you likely did/do some other horrible things that you are not asking about.

**Sherlock** · 8 October 2023, 9:38 am

Originally Posted by Malikbhai

Remove Electrum for a second. It's not even possible to hack Windows, unless one is specifically being targeted.

Most of these hacks happen because

1. You have installed a program that was emailed to you or Whatsapped to you.

2. The person knows that you have crypto money.

3. In 99.99% of the cases the person hacking is known to the victim.

Despite all the stuff around hacking, in majority of the cases it's not a random event.

I bet most crypto stolen is because people save their seeds to some cloud/email, then they are hacked and they claim that money "from their electrum, ledger etc" were stolen... No wallet helps with this.

**allfreechips** · 8 October 2023, 8:30 pm

seed is only on paper for the nano with the extra word

**Sherlock** · 9 October 2023, 2:07 pm

Originally Posted by allfreechips

seed is only on paper for the nano with the extra word

yes, maybe it is, maybe it is not, that is the trick

having seed just on paper is safe for not being hacked... but what about protection about losing it? what about protection if someone reveals it accidentally?

you already did something terribly wrong so it makes sense to look hypercritically at everything you do, because if you did one thing wrong & you do not know basics, then you are likely on the way to make a mistake number 2

anyways, basic rule is to use HW wallet as hot wallet, because you can use it on compromised computer
SW wallet is better for cold wallet on computer that never goes online

you do it the other way around

**Holly** · 9 October 2023, 2:52 pm

I also received a suspicious file from RhinoAffiliates affiliate manager via Skype. I did not open or download that file. I asked the affiliate manager a question like what is this file and got a reply with an apology that their skype was hacked. It's so weird. Why they didn't send any email notification not to open the file

**allfreechips** · 9 October 2023, 3:58 pm

Originally Posted by Sherlock

yes, maybe it is, maybe it is not, that is the trick

having seed just on paper is safe for not being hacked... but what about protection about losing it? what about protection if someone reveals it accidentally?

you already did something terribly wrong so it makes sense to look hypercritically at everything you do, because if you did one thing wrong & you do not know basics, then you are likely on the way to make a mistake number 2

anyways, basic rule is to use HW wallet as hot wallet, because you can use it on compromised computer
SW wallet is better for cold wallet on computer that never goes online

you do it the other way around

I see your point, I tried to keep small amounts on electrum to transfer either to long term storage or top move to exchange top cash out. I may do a separate nano for this purpose as well.

**LowFlyingBird** · 13 October 2023, 6:09 pm

Might be helpful in what might have happened here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/com...your_bitcoins/

Self custody is tough for many and hot/cold wallets are useful.

Coinbase has proven to be a safer than some hot wallets.

I've met people who lost money on MtGOX, QuadrigaCX and FTX.

Seems nothing is forever safe.

Cold Store Hardware devices require a learning curve but it's the way to go.
Realize they are signing devices (of your keys) of your on chain stored bitcoin.

Coldcard
Ledger
Trezor

Recommend learning air-gapped signing devices like coldcard.

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