Affiliate Tomi owes affiliate program money

**affeurope** · 7 January 2010, 8:03 am

The following affiliate was prepaid by us $2500 for sending traffic which was never received.
Name Tomi <last name removed>
Username: timi11
Country of origin: Finland
The money was sent 3 months ago and no traffic has been sent nor money returned
We have all the documentation that verifies the theft but will not be publishing them here due to confidentiality
We want to make sure that rogue affiliates are made known to the gaming community as they have a damaging effect on the industry as a whole.

**Shaun O'neill** · 8 January 2010, 3:15 am

I have just sent this link to him so that he can reply.

he once asked me to work with him but wanted a sick CPA i of course said now.

Good luck in getting you rmoney or players.

Regards

Shaun

**hazo** · 8 January 2010, 5:42 am

For what reasons do affiliate programs pay in advance? To close affiliates into promoting them?

**Shaun O'neill** · 8 January 2010, 6:06 am

Hei Hazo

The ironic things with this is that a lot of affiliate ask for up front payments due to distrust....

Some also want up front due to costs ect, but i think at least 80% of it based on distrust.

Shaun

Originally Posted by hazo

For what reasons do affiliate programs pay in advance? To close affiliates into promoting them?

**CasinoRumble** · 8 January 2010, 10:03 am

Hi Marc,

As you know the deal, we talked about 7 business days to start campaign.
As you can see from traffic it have started, I cant understand why you have done something like this ?

plz send me response via pm

**Betpartners** · 8 January 2010, 10:10 am

Affeurope says money was sent 3 months ago

CasinoRumble says 7 business days to start campaign as agreed with traffic now being sent.

Someone has either misunderstood the deal or being economical with the truth.

Hopefully its a misunderstanding and you both can sort this out.

**Shaun O'neill** · 8 January 2010, 10:25 am

I suggest a bare knuckle fight to fix things...

Shaun

Originally Posted by Betpartners

Affeurope says money was sent 3 months ago

CasinoRumble says 7 business days to start campaign as agreed with traffic now being sent.

Someone has either misunderstood the deal or being economical with the truth.

Hopefully its a misunderstanding and you both can sort this out.

**CasinoRumble** · 8 January 2010, 10:29 am

Originally Posted by Shaun O'neill

I suggest a bare knuckle fight to fix things...

Shaun

Hi,

Now waiting call from Marc, hope this get resolved...

**affeurope** · 10 January 2010, 4:34 am

Firstly,
Thank you for all the positive responses we have received regarding this post. It is very important that as a community we root out any affiliate fraud or theft.

Secondly,
GPWA user CasinoRumble (Tomi)
As previously mentioned we have all the relevant correspondence (including today's) and a contract which will enable us to move forward with legal proceedings.

We therefore advise you that you please send us the money back ASAP.

Tomi your actions amongst others mean that genuine and honest affiliates will face difficulty in securing a prepayment and you do not deserve to cause your fellow affiliates to lose out.

**Shaun O'neill** · 11 January 2010, 2:39 am

I hope you guys sort this out with way seems a pretty bad way to start a business deal.

Shaun

**Chalkie** · 11 January 2010, 5:15 am

Guys, one of the sides in this issue has asked me if The GAU would arbitrate on this issue.

This we are prepared to do so of course, therefore if both sides would like to contact me paul [@] gamblingaffiliatesunion.org we can work together towards solving the issue.

**affeurope** · 11 January 2010, 7:08 am

Paul,

Thank you for your kind offer.

Affiliates are liable for the monies they receive from a legal standpoint.

Therefore in light of the fact we have all the evidence we need to pursue this legally we will not be involving a third party.

We hope that the affiliate returns the monies ASAP as we do not like to take legal action but on the same token affiliates must not be allowed to steal from affiliate programs.

**CK - Schalk** · 11 January 2010, 9:27 pm

You know what?

At first I thought there should be a better way to handle this, but after some consideration, affeurope is doing the right thing (provided the case they have stated is factual).

Every single affiliate manager on here will tell you that he has been burnt by something like this more than once.

It put a strain on relationships between aff managers and affiliates, and it puts a smear on the industry.

**pgaming** · 11 January 2010, 10:23 pm

My initial reaction HA HA HA …you been scammed LMAO. I suppose this sort of emotion is stemming from the recent high voltage discussion going on separate threads.

So now we have affiliates screwing aff managers, players screwing affiliates, affiliates eating one another, affiliates screwing players, rogue conferences, rogue affiliates, rogue handshakes, FBI complaint filing, affiliate hot tub groups, and now you’re out $2500.00.

Well no surprise there considering the above. This is the status quo nowadays lol.
Seriously though, $2500.00 IMO is a lot cash to throw out the window.

Hope it gets resolved good luck!

OH yeah forgot to mention for other members here and abroad... this person supports Gambling Wages ATTACK lol!

Pgaming/ shaddy

**Shaun O'neill** · 12 January 2010, 1:17 am

I think it sucks that anybody gets scammed i dont care if it is player, affiliate, operator this business has almost no morals which is pretty sad, regulation i snot really the right way to go and it will never happen but i just think people need to have better morals.

Shaun

Originally Posted by pgaming

My initial reaction HA HA HA …you been scammed LMAO. I suppose this sort of emotion is stemming from the recent high voltage discussion going on separate threads.

So now we have affiliates screwing aff managers, players screwing affiliates, affiliates eating one another, affiliates screwing players, rogue conferences, rogue affiliates, rogue handshakes, FBI complaint filing, affiliate hot tub groups, and now you’re out $2500.00.

Well no surprise there considering the above. This is the status quo nowadays lol.
Seriously though, $2500.00 IMO is a lot cash to throw out the window.

Hope it gets resolved good luck!

OH yeah forgot to mention for other members here and abroad... this person supports Gambling Wages ATTACK lol!

Pgaming/ shaddy

**CasinoRumble** · 12 January 2010, 2:55 am

Originally Posted by Chalkie

Guys, one of the sides in this issue has asked me if The GAU would arbitrate on this issue.

This we are prepared to do so of course, therefore if both sides would like to contact me paul [@] gamblingaffiliatesunion.org we can work together towards solving the issue.

Hi,

No thanks Paul.
I have talked with Marc and we are going to do refund to him.

Thanks anyway.

**Shaun O'neill** · 12 January 2010, 3:08 am

Good news to hear that it is sorted.

Shaun

Originally Posted by CasinoRumble

Hi,

No thanks Paul.
I have talked with Marc and we are going to do refund to him.

Thanks anyway.

**Chalkie** · 12 January 2010, 4:10 am

It is a happy ending then it seems, this is excellent news.

For the record, i also agree that an affiliate cheating a program is no different to a program cheating an affiliate, not that i am making judgement or comment on this individual case and the people involved.

**affeurope** · 12 January 2010, 4:59 am

Originally Posted by CasinoRumble

Hi,

No thanks Paul.
I have talked with Marc and we are going to do refund to him.

Thanks anyway.

Just to clarify that affiliate Tomi Viljanen has not as claimed refunded or expressed desire to refund Aff Europe.

Again, we have all of the correspondence saved between the affiliate and ourselves and the contract.

We will confirm if and when the issue has been resolved and until this point it should be considered that the affiliate has not rectified the situation.

**Shaun O'neill** · 12 January 2010, 5:26 am

Hei Tomi

Come on this is simple pay the money save your reputation if you dont nobdy will ever prepay you again you are hurting your own business.

Shaun

Originally Posted by affeurope

Just to clarify that affiliate Tomi Viljanen has not as claimed refunded or expressed desire to refund Aff Europe.

Again, we have all of the correspondence saved between the affiliate and ourselves and the contract.

We will confirm if and when the issue has been resolved and until this point it should be considered that the affiliate has not rectified the situation.

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