Affiliate Fraudster daniel.21century-affiliate

**myBet** · 4 January 2016, 7:48 am

Just to inform that we needed to change his cpa deal to revshare deal
As he brought us this month already 27 players , everyone depositing between 30-40€, none higher than this.
This is actually going on since September and we paid him already around 15k. In total he referred 70 Players, same pattern, all between 30€ - 40€ deposit. This pattern shows us that this is a cashback deal and we explained him that we cannot pay for this kind of traffic a CPA especially not that high.
We informed the affiliate but as he is threatening us to go live on forums. We wanted to do the first step and inform other Affiliate Managers and Affiliates about the way they work.

Here his last email
Quote: I want to remind that it is impossible to close a retroactive contract (taking effect from a date in the past). This is a very rude violation from MyBet. I hope very much that this issue will be solved quietly and we will not have to go elsewhere for help and damage the reputation of MyBet at forums etc.

Name is Kristian and Viesturs
email is : [email protected]
skype: daniel.21century-affiliate

See also :
www.dietistaktuellt.com/forum/fraud-ring-warning-operators-networks-224022.html

**Miles_FTA** · 5 January 2016, 12:58 am

Thanks for the warning will stay far away

**TheGooner** · 5 January 2016, 3:41 pm

So if 70 customers is over 15K it sounds like you were offering a CPA of 225 to 250 Euros for customers that deposit under 40 euros?
What were you thinking ?

These badly structured CPA deals are just open to fraud from low value countries.

I see there is an association with the name Viesturs and Latvia. A quick look at economics shows that the average monthly wage in Latvia is just 600 euros. So 2-3 CPA's is a months wages, and you've paid out the equivalent of 25 months wages now.

Source : https://www.tradingeconomics.com/latvia/wages

I'm surprised that you agreed to this low deposit value, and that you didn't monitor it and that it took you so long to react - but I think that most affiliates would agree that you have the right to transfer a bad CPA deal onto rev-share AFTER you have notified the affiliate.

Whether you have grounds to retrospectively cancel the contract for fraud is impossible to determine from the scant information given and I would not expect it in the public domain either - that is between your program, your security and the affiliate involved.

But no-one needs to stand to the payment terms of a contract if fraud is involved.

**Triple7** · 6 January 2016, 1:49 pm

Since September this is going on and just now you're questioning it? Also their seem to be not so much evidence to name and shame him as a fraudster. Perhaps it is that you just did not do your homework that well and now try to save your ass by breaking the agreement you've made with him.

Also you're paying way too much and you should have know that. I don't think you can blame an affiliate for not doing your homework.

**sweetbet** · 6 January 2016, 2:00 pm

CPA has always been a risky proposition. Affiliate programs should offer RevShare deals to everyone, and CPA deals to trusted longtime affiliates only imo.

**colin3005** · 7 January 2016, 4:54 am

Originally Posted by sweetbet

CPA has always been a risky proposition. Affiliate programs should offer RevShare deals to everyone, and CPA deals to trusted longtime affiliates only imo.

So they can screw you over once they have a decent customer base from you?

**COPCapo** · 11 January 2016, 3:51 am

Originally Posted by Triple7

Since September this is going on and just now you're questioning it? Also their seem to be not so much evidence to name and shame him as a fraudster. Perhaps it is that you just did not do your homework that well and now try to save your ass by breaking the agreement you've made with him.

im not sure what you mean by doing their homework ?

**Progger** · 12 January 2016, 4:50 am

Triple mean that mybet dont do her job...

Btw Mybet is a funny company...closing player accounts and refuve payouts very fast im not promote this company anymore..

**Vira CAsinoAffilate** · 12 January 2016, 9:17 am

Guys, if this is so s-ty traffic, why you paid him since September till now? you made a donations for him?

Very interesting to hear also the other position. I don't think it's so cleaR story

**colin3005** · 12 January 2016, 9:36 am

Originally Posted by Vira CAsinoAffilate

Guys, if this is so s-ty traffic, why you paid him since September till now? you made a donations for him?

Very interesting to hear also the other position. I don't think it's so cleaR story

Not sure why you don't think its clear. I wouldn't imagine this is the type of thing you could expect to see in a month or so, I have loads of customers who signed up, made a deposit for the bonus then didn't make another deposit, or the next one was a month or two later. None of my traffic is fraud and I wouldn't be happy if any of the programs I signed up to told me I wasn't getting paid after one month as customers had only made one deposit.
Surely this type of fraud only comes to light after 2-3 months minimum?

**COPCapo** · 12 January 2016, 1:17 pm

Originally Posted by colin3005

Not sure why you don't think its clear. I wouldn't imagine this is the type of thing you could expect to see in a month or so, I have loads of customers who signed up, made a deposit for the bonus then didn't make another deposit, or the next one was a month or two later. None of my traffic is fraud and I wouldn't be happy if any of the programs I signed up to told me I wasn't getting paid after one month as customers had only made one deposit.
Surely this type of fraud only comes to light after 2-3 months minimum?

exactly, i mean they said all players did only one deposit and not more as 40€ .. its just funny how some are trying to defend this affiliate as that is just giving you a bad advertising, one day noone will do cpa anymore for anyone and you can say, thank you to this kind of affiliates.

**Vira CAsinoAffilate** · 13 January 2016, 12:59 am

You should have a special security department to avoid any issues with the fraudulent traffic. Ok, after one month is difficult do understand - I agree. Second month - you can see the same results. man, you can just stop the deal. No need to wait a 3-4 month and give him another 15K commission. I don't understand this case, really. Even after 1 month you can say, I saw your results and the traffic is not so good as we expected so I will increase a BL for your CPA deal, whatever. A million ways how to check if he is real fraud or no

**COPCapo** · 13 January 2016, 2:39 am

what is not clear ? all his players did not deposit more as 40€ .. everyone had a very similar deposit and there are few more affiliate managers who has the same experience with him. It is crystal clear that this are incentivized players.

**LarryWilson** · 13 January 2016, 3:36 am

If I may, can I throw my 2 cents in here...

My affiliate program actually had this guy sign up as 2 separate affiliates. We had daniel(at)21century-affiliate(dot)com register as Real Money Players LP, and then a month later, had viestursgoldaff(at)gmail(dot)com signup as viesturs.

Both were given CPA deals and both generated a suspicious number of new depositors in a short space of time. Looking at the player details for both affiliate accounts, all players have Latvian-sounding names with a registered address in the UK. All of them made a single deposit (varying amounts - obviously trying to be clever) via Moneybookers or NETELLER.

If memory serves me correctly - this was well over a year ago - one of the affiliate accounts got away with a few paid CPAs, but we caught the majority in time and suspended the accounts for suspected fraudulent activity. I cross-referenced one of these affiliates' players (viesturs, I think) with a friend who works at another online casino, and he confirmed that the player activity was the same and that many of the player names were duplicated too.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is the work of a CPA fraudster!

Cheers,
Larry.

**Azureus** · 13 January 2016, 5:28 am

You get what you deserve haha... Why do you offer someone straight a €220 CPA deal? And then you keep it running for months even though it is so fishy.

I'm your affiliate for almost three years and I'm on a boring 30% share, you never really contacted me or offered anything better except "exclusive monthly promotions". And that's why I prefer to promote others.

Unlike this guy, at least I'm bringing real players.

Maybe you should think about your affiliate managers' approach and set up some processes. Otherwise you're going down.

**Triple7** · 13 January 2016, 1:50 pm

Originally Posted by Progger

Triple mean that mybet dont do her job...

Btw Mybet is a funny company...closing player accounts and refuve payouts very fast im not promote this company anymore..

Exactly. This behaviour of MyBet is like buying a new Iphone 6s on the corner of the street for $ 100 and than crying that it's a fake one. And like you say, they themself like to screw affiliates and players, so perhaps this is a lesson?

**universal4** · 13 January 2016, 4:12 pm

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