Affcorner will BAN cookie stuffers

**casinojack** · 30 April 2009, 6:32 pm

Just to be clear, any affiliates who commit "cookie stuffing" practices will be banned and loose all earnings. I am happy to say noone here is doing this, was a non forum affiliate, but just want to make this an official stance.

AK · 30 April 2009, 7:34 pm

Originally Posted by casinojack

Just to be clear, any affiliates who commit "cookie stuffing" practices will be banned and loose all earnings. I am happy to say noone here is doing this, was a non forum affiliate, but just want to make this an official stance.

Thanks,

How does one Tell if someone is cookie stuffing?

**pgaming** · 30 April 2009, 7:47 pm

Good read here AK although it really does not answer your question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_stuffing

greek39

**casinojack** · 30 April 2009, 7:50 pm

Originally Posted by AK

Thanks,

How does one Tell if someone is cookie stuffing?

I have my methods...I am good at this, I been around the block, but there are many ways to tell...If I realsed those here, others could get around it...

If you suspect a webiste you are on is stuffing, simply change options of browser you are in to pop up and ask to accept all cookies

clear the cookies

revist site

see what happens

AK · 30 April 2009, 8:33 pm

Speaking about stuffing

Whats my user name to login to check my past 3 months of stats? I know I must be owed

was it bbking2? Ya I'm old school at phoenix even before aff corner came around..

**universal4** · 30 April 2009, 9:06 pm

Are your cookies over-writeable immediately?

Rick
Universal4

**raphnix** · 1 May 2009, 2:33 am

I thank you really casinojack for that new useful information. I haven't known cookie stuffing is one of the blackhat online marketing technique before . Do you know how we can avoid it in our browser?

**casinojack** · 1 May 2009, 10:36 am

Originally Posted by AK

Speaking about stuffing

Whats my user name to login to check my past 3 months of stats? I know I must be owed

was it bbking2? Ya I'm old school at phoenix even before aff corner came around..

best if you email me this request please.....

**casinojack** · 1 May 2009, 10:37 am

Originally Posted by universal4

Are your cookies over-writeable immediately?

Rick
Universal4

No, but let me get the exact time..I know the never expire flag is on, but not 100% the overwrite...Today is holiday in costa rica, might not get back to you till monday

**casinojack** · 1 May 2009, 10:40 am

Originally Posted by raphnix

I thank you really casinojack for that new useful information. I haven't known cookie stuffing is one of the blackhat online marketing technique before . Do you know how we can avoid it in our browser?

Like the above said, is to manually set the cookie to prompt you each time only 100% way

there are some warning signs, such as noting your progress bar, etc....I am good at finding these, because about 8 years ago, I was a bad boy...was different back then though...was not known as that and did not break and TOS...But now is a otally different game

**universal4** · 1 May 2009, 2:27 pm

No, but let me get the exact time..I know the never expire flag is on, but not 100% the overwrite...

This is a bit disturbing....

From an affiliate stand point, the only 100% SURE FIRE way to combat cookie stuffing is having a cookie that is over-writeable.

Then it doesn't matter how much stuffing is going on...if I send a visitor to your property 5 minutes after being "stuffed" somehwere else, I would still get credit....

If the cookie is not over-writeable, the "stuffer" gets credit....

I understand you want to disallow this stuffing practice to protect both the affiliates and the type-ins....but we all know just having the policy is likely NOT going to keep it from happening.....

Rick
Universal4

**casinojack** · 1 May 2009, 2:56 pm

Ahhh, what I mean , to be more clear is the following:

You set a cookie on the users PC with the user NOT clicking it.

therefore, I MAY pay a commission ot someone who did nothing but "stuff" a cookie and did not get credit.

There is a long standing issue of who should get credit. I also agree the person who made the customer actually sign up should...Good points though

**universal4** · 1 May 2009, 5:20 pm

I agree.

I do not think it is fair for me to promote any property that if I send a new player someone else gets credit.

When this kind of non-overwriteable cookie is used, the longer a casino is open the more it benefits older and more established affiliates nd the more it hurts new smaller affiliates....and this is NOT supposed to be how it works.

We see program groups all the time changing terms because they want the older and larger affiluares to continue to promote them, but when they have the above cookie situation they are making the problem even worse.

The non-overwiteable cookie means as time goes on there is less and less incentive for me to continue to send visitors and the incentive to go find the latest casino to open to promote.... I do not think that is the ideal situation for affiliates or the casinos.

Another scenario along the same line...

The more savvy the visitor (meaning the higher the posibility they have visited casinos in the past) the more incentive there is to send that visitor to the latest casino to open.

Rick
Universal4

AK · 1 May 2009, 6:09 pm

I love the live roulette and baccarat software aff corner has.. "I heard blackjack on its way"

There only huge downfall other then this cookie situation would have to be the none existence of any slot machines. Ya they have like 3 or 4 from the basic plane software from years ago but nothing to really to get a visitor to bite.

Worms don't always work... Sometimes You got to flavor the bait!

**Buddy M** · 8 June 2009, 2:50 am

what is cookie stuffing anyway?

**CityGuard** · 8 June 2009, 9:52 am

Originally Posted by Buddy M

what is cookie stuffing anyway?

Cookie stuffing is fooling your visitor's browser into thinking it has also visited a second website in order to install cookies from that second website. Or, in other words, it is fraudulently having tracking codes installed on a visitor's website as though the visitor clicked through your tracking link, but without having actually referred the visitor anywhere.

It hurts affiliate programs because they may end up paying affiliate commissions when a player signed up directly from other marketing efforts without having gone through an affiliate. It hurts affiliates if an affiliate program does not have their tracking cookies set to be overwritable (so that credit goes to the last referrer rather than the first referrer), because a referral could be credited to the cookie stuffer rather than the genuine affiliate who got the player to sign up.

As Rick points out, this is why many affiliate programs have their cookies set to be overwritable so they credit the final referrer.

**universal4** · 8 June 2009, 10:11 am

That explains it pretty well Cityguard.

And something that all programs should remember, if they are worried about paying an affiliate that sent a visitor one month yet the player didn't actually sign up until they followed a link months later from a media buy or whatever they want to call their own marketing, all they have to do is allow the cookies to be over-written by the last referrer.

This way, the referrer that makes the sale gets the credit.

Rick
Universal4

**LiveCasinoPartners** · 8 June 2009, 6:37 pm

Originally Posted by universal4

And something that all programs should remember, if they are worried about paying an affiliate that sent a visitor one month yet the player didn't actually sign up until they followed a link months later from a media buy or whatever they want to call their own marketing, all they have to do is allow the cookies to be over-written by the last referrer.

This way, the referrer that makes the sale gets the credit.

Rick
Universal4

Not always true Univeral. I've seen quite a few players who have clicked.. and then signed up two or three weeks later. There is a reason why the cookis are set to months.

What if the cookie stuffer stuffed the cookie and replaced a valid cookie of a hardworking affiliate after wards? It's not as simple as placing an "over writable" tag on the cookies themselves. You can not always count on the stuffer placing the cookie before the valid affiliate click. It can go both ways.

Our program indescriminately bans affiliates who stuff .

**pgaming** · 8 June 2009, 9:11 pm

The topic is the same but in some ways unrelated. Every year I attend the annual DEF CON rally; A gathering of all types, hackers, crackers, blackhatters, FBI, Google, M$, Yahoo, hard to explain. Most of the lectures and what go on there is mostly unknown until maybe a few months later if at all.

Anyway I found one lecture on cookie exploits FYI.

At underground hacker convention DEFCON last month, Perry revealed vulnerabilities in cookies used by sites such as Gmail, Facebook and LinkedIn.
Source: https://www.itnews.com.au/Feature/4911,fighting-fire-with-fire.aspx

If you really enjoy reading IT stuff here is the DEFCON press link.

https://www.defcon.org/html/links/dc_press/dc_press.html Underscore after dc a little timid posting links to DEFCON.

greek39

**casinojack** · 8 June 2009, 10:29 pm

good stuff, they also discussed the executable pics,my personal fav...yes i go almost every year, and to HOPE also...

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